I had both installed for the last 30,000 miles. Worth every penny. Not the best on the market but very practical for everyday riding. Yes the HD is a bit much unless your a real big boy stay with the standard. Rode about 5,000 miles with just the 444"s and then installed the springs with 7 weight oil. The two complement each other very well. Steve recommended the set up to me and that was some time ago never regretted it. 12.5 is standard length.