So another eleventy three pages of sidetracking for all and sundry. I still would like to see a dyno sheet showing the cams ONLY which take the 170hp stock engined R3 to 200. In fact 200 hp and 180ft UNDER 6800 was the claim, maybe more if Phil is correct!. To match Scorps graph, just with cams ( inlet and exhaust a given). Been done already apparently. There is no doubt we can all get more power than 200 with other parts and more rpm, no dispute at all from me. Or is that an inaccurate statement? Something which is about to happen. I do not expect to get a straight, answer really, but will ask the question again ART. Back to work for me, V Rod fortnight here. One blown and two turboed, tuning bikes with stupid exhausts........ Why do harley riders like so much fuc$ing noise?