CES ****

[flyreels]

[QUOTE="Clavier

What is this different cam discussion? They are the same on the roadster, the extra power comes from a non gimpy factory tune.

Parts fiche only lists one part number for all years, one entry for the cams.

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In fact some respectable tuners who have gone through many rockets have consistently seen the first version, the "standard", put down a bit more hp in Stock form with a good tune vs roadsters in Stock form with a good tune.[/QUOTE]
When I went to buy a new roadster back in 2010 when they first came out the dealer was the first one to tell me about the cam and I could have swore I read some where they had a different cam grind as he was the one that shown me the article, maybe I am wrong, maybe it just old age catching up with me as it was 6 years ago now

 

[Claviger]

Na, triumph marketing did a number when releasing the roadster, talking about "new" kayaba forks (identical to previous models), "new" shocks which are really just the comfort shocks from previous years, more power (really it was just not gutting the bike in ecu like before).

It's totally believable the dealer may have thought they did update the cam, but I'm almost certain they didnt.

 

[Neville Lush]

The cams are all the same, you are right Claviger. The bikes vary a little due to "production tolerances". I have done many Reband pipes with over 160 rwhp. The only CES ones I have seen have had different mufflers on them, holding back power. The guy who did Big Kels bike is a good operator, his numbers do not surprise me. A good tuner will get those or very close to those figures Claviger, the air filter makes a difference as well don't forget. Tuning the bike is that, tuning, why would one do only the fuelling? Ign must be done in the proper tuning process.

 

[Claviger]

I wish all operators saw it like you lushy.

Most in the states don't do ignition, they just throw it on the dyno, and use it basically as a large dynojet auto tune station, scared to do it the right way via ecu editing instead power commander.

 

[flyreels]

Thanks for that Neville, I was hoping you would come in and let me / us know for sure

 

[Neville Lush]

I have not had "tuning link" software for years. Apart from me paying heaps of $ for the same software each year......grr. I found that if I tuned the bikes manually I was/am getting better numbers anyway, even with using a P Commander. The tuning link gear only works with a PComm anyway. I use over 20 different softwares on all different bikes. Any auto tune device is an averaging device. If you want it to run average, that's fine, if you want it to run well, then tune it well.

 

[albertaduke]

I have not had "tuning link" software for years. Apart from me paying heaps of $ for the same software each year......grr. I found that if I tuned the bikes manually I was/am getting better numbers anyway, even with using a P Commander. The tuning link gear only works with a PComm anyway. I use over 20 different softwares on all different bikes. Any auto tune device is an averaging device. If you want it to run average, that's fine, if you want it to run well, then tune it well.

mild hijack sorry but
then if tuned well what can I expect in HP figure (ballpark )for my rocket when nels tune it in a few weeks as you may remember beside your goodies it has a ramair filter and a jardine exhaust
as of now I can already feel the difference, but it is only seat of the pant impression?

 

[Neville Lush]

Is the Jardine exhaust for the roadster or is it the earlier one from the Rocket three? If it's the early one I would say 200 at the tyre or maybe a little more. The early Jars are not as wide a torque curve as say a CES or Reband exhaust but will do 200rw with those cams/pistons. The later Roadster Jardines 3 into one into 2 are more restrictive than the early ones and I am not sure as I have not tested that exact setup. I did do one with custom headers and the Jardine twin mufflers and that was ok, 204?? from memory.

 

[Ted_r3r]

Does anyone have a video with sound of this exhaust?

 

[1olbull]

That is one super happy dyno...lol

Don't be disappointed if you don't achieve their numbers, only a handful have broken 160 with stock motors and ces, regardless, its a massive increase over stock.

Agreed . . . my CES numbers were 158 RWHP & 157 TQ.
Versus 150 RWHP & 150 TQ with TORs.
Shall soon get some dyno numbers for the Ram Air addition . . .