wanting to go darkside

It's tough for me to hold my tongue on this issue. I have had considerable experience with riding on the Darkside with only 7K miles accrued that way on my Rocket and some 30K miles racked up on my two VTX 1800s. I loved the CT on my Honda's and really didn't have any issues with running my Toyo T1R Proxes on the Rocket until making my first hard run through the twisties when I noticed significant signs of wear a good 1 1/2" up onto the sidewalls.

I returned to a MT because I just can't accept the risk factor of rubbing and wearing the very thin, totally un-reinforced sliver of rubber that is the sidewall on car tires. Apparently, no one we know of has experienced the car tire failing due to this obvious Achille's heel, however, because of the forces exerted on the rear tire of our brutal, bruiser cruisers and given the apparent ease with which the sidewall can fail (puncture) should it encounter just the right kind of debris or road surface anomaly, I am not willing to be a guinea pig by, effectively, playing chicken with myself.

After returning to the "Brightside", the additional overall effort (rider input and countersteering force) required by the car tire became immediately and readily apparent. Although there certainly are posiitve tradeoffs when switching from a MT to a CT, there are negative ones, as well, amongst which are: 1) slower, more sluggish response from the bike in quick, emergency-type evasive maneuvers; 2) enhanced wear of the front tire; 3) loss of rear wheel horsepower and torque and; 4) in addition to the aforementioned risk to more aggressive riders in the twisties, the CT will break traction just as easily or, in some cases (when fully over on the sidewall), more easily than the MT, when making a turn from a dead stop under hard acceleration. In addition, I have found that the MT transmits a more accurate feel for the road and road conditions than does the CT, it is more "flickable" and it feels much lighter, hence, it is less tiring to ride than with the CT. For me, these things make the motorcycle tire my hands down choice.

As I have said many times before, this entire issue of which tire to use and/or which one is "best" comes down to personal preference/freedom of choice, exigent circumstances given how and/or where you ride (i.e., your riding style and local road conditions), your own proclivity for risk exposure and lastly, given what you are willing to spend and/or what you can best afford to keep the rear on a quality tire. I will continue to state the foregoing so that others who are considering making a change have access to as much reliable information as possible in order to make a fair evaluation and to ultimately assist them in making a truly informed decision.:cool:

Whatever you choose ride on, please ride safely!
 
That is a fair call and well written, Phill.:)
I too was concerned when it first happened to me (sidewall scuffing) but I found that by increasing the tyre pressure 2psi it reduced the incidence to the point that after 15,000km's the wear bar indicators are nearing the surface and the fine original pattern on the sidewalls is still there, no wear just light scuffing from where I have gone over that extra bit in the middle of the corner and the wear is on the edges where as I start to pick the bike up and get on the juice. But as you so well expreesed we all ride a little different.

An interest note I found is that it seems that only the Toyo proxes goes over on the side wall, all the pictures I have seen are all Toyos yet I picked the Toyo cos they have such a great reputation for dry and wet grip and I will almost certainly be putting another on

It would be interesting to do a survey of what tyres people have tried and gone over on the sidewall:cool:
 
Let me test ride 'em, Hans and I'll guarantee you that they will all have scuffed sidewalls!;):D
 
I run a 245/50 but I run 40 psi have scraped the running boards many times never had any sidewall damage and I believe the ride is smoother with the ct. then it was with the Metzler I just got tired of 300+ every 7000 miles put on three and went to the dark side and have not regretted it one bit, it would not make much sense for a ****** rocket which I have a lot of friends that ride dragging their knees around the corner and at 54 I'm a little old for that. And hoping to make it to 55 next month :D
 
the point I was trying to make is I have only heard of guys with Toyos scuffing the wall which makes me think the sidewalls on the Toyo may be a bit softer than others but it also grips so much better And yeah I'd like to be on that ride with you Phil (could be awesome fun) trying to scuff the sidewall I ain't scared of trying to drag a knee on the Rocket... reckon on that ride up the mountain with the journo in Feb I came close a couple of times.

I would like to take this oppurtunity to let you know it is going to be the cover story in the July edition due out on the 6 of july, I will scan the pages and forward them to anyone who wants to see it, I did ask if they would do a summary which we could put in the forum but recieved no reply so PM me your E-Mail address if interested;)
 
the point I was trying to make is I have only heard of guys with Toyos scuffing the wall which makes me think the sidewalls on the Toyo may be a bit softer than others but it also grips so much better And yeah I'd like to be on that ride with you Phil (could be awesome fun) trying to scuff the sidewall I ain't scared of trying to drag a knee on the Rocket... reckon on that ride up the mountain with the journo in Feb I came close a couple of times.

I would like to take this oppurtunity to let you know it is going to be the cover story in the July edition due out on the 6 of july, I will scan the pages and forward them to anyone who wants to see it, I did ask if they would do a summary which we could put in the forum but recieved no reply so PM me your E-Mail address if interested;)

On "that" ride I was over further than ever before too. Hanso and Stuart (journo) left the other three of us for dead!! Pics in my gallery of the five of us.
 
Well i went and did it iI put a car tire on my motorcycle i guess that makes it a MC tire now , just put a few miles on it i dont know what it supposed to feel like but it sure likes to stand up fast comming out of a corner, im running 31PSIi will have to try different pressures
 
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