Transmission questions

[TURBO200R4]

i went back to post #1 and seen that it might be popping out of 2nd so there is noway i would put it back together with out getting the 2nd gears angle cut or what ever the terminology by Robinson is

 

[Ercouper]

i went back to post #1 and seen that it might be popping out of 2nd so there is noway i would put it back together with out getting the 2nd gears angle cut or what ever the terminology by Robinson is

I hope I can find the $'s to do that.
Meanwhile I want to wait for the detent spring that I ordered and compare it to the one I have & also compare new shift fork to my somewhat worn one.
Thanks for your advice. Much appreciated.......

 

[TURBO200R4]

there has been quite a few early rockets that have had the problem of jumping out of second and it only gets worse until it won't hold second at all.
now a bent shift fork may or may not be the problem. i always shift into 2nd b4 doing a full throttle and make sure that it is looked in.
unless i have someone beside me lol then it is wide open throttle.

 

[warp9.9]

OK great video. Now I understand your worry. We'll done if I was a betting man I'd bet on a Circlip slip. Is the bike still open in the front ? If so snap an picture of the detention wheel so we can verify whether a update kit has been installed on this rascal
I know you said the detent spring is on order so taking a picture of the detent wheel should be easy. Same with the cam chain guides. And if she is still open let's see a picture of the torsional damper. The inner bearing to be specific so I can tell you if it's been updated.

Yes sir last time I seen that wallowing slop it was the circlip.
I know you said money is tight and I'm just giving you my honest opinion.
Send the shift to Robisons yes. I've had my 06 drive train lock up at 80mph as I was coasting.
It was the first time ever that I scanned the yards figuring I'd have to punch out.

It's a good dang thing God keeps throwing me back !!!
Let's see some pictures and figure out if you bike has had the update kit installed.
That might help in your decision as to which way you want to go.

Meanwhile I'll meander down in my various parts and pull out a set of updated transmission shafts.
I'm curious as to how much play is there.
Also did you say you had the shift disassembled while you had it apart?

Don't wait up I realized it's late I'll dig the shafts out in the morning !!

 

[Kevin frazier]

Also red loctite shifter bolt on reassembly

 

[Ercouper]

OK great video. Now I understand your worry. We'll done if I was a betting man I'd bet on a Circlip slip. Is the bike still open in the front ? If so snap an picture of the detention wheel so we can verify whether a update kit has been installed on this rascal
I know you said the detent spring is on order so taking a picture of the detent wheel should be easy. Same with the cam chain guides. And if she is still open let's see a picture of the torsional damper. The inner bearing to be specific so I can tell you if it's been updated.

Yes sir last time I seen that wallowing slop it was the circlip.
I know you said money is tight and I'm just giving you my honest opinion.
Send the shift to Robisons yes. I've had my 06 drive train lock up at 80mph as I was coasting.
It was the first time ever that I scanned the yards figuring I'd have to punch out.

It's a good dang thing God keeps throwing me back !!!
Let's see some pictures and figure out if you bike has had the update kit installed.
That might help in your decision as to which way you want to go.

Meanwhile I'll meander down in my various parts and pull out a set of updated transmission shafts.
I'm curious as to how much play is there.
Also did you say you had the shift disassembled while you had it apart?

Don't wait up I realized it's late I'll dig the shafts out in the morning !!

Here are some pic's.....................
All circlips are in place. I believe the detent wheel is the updated one, as the old one was a bearing, wasn't it. I also think the bearings are the updated ones (?). I'm not sure about the cam chain guides. Let me know if the pic's are ok or if you need me take more. Thanks!

 

[Ercouper]

I received my new 2nd gear shift fork (C) and compared to my original to find that the original was bent as well as having the wear on the side facing 2nd gear.
I also got my new detent spring and found that it is somewhat different than my original one. It is made out of the same stock (wire diameter) but is a little shorter and has 5 turns instead of 6. Original length is 32.45mm, new one is 30.6mm. Anyone else notice a spring change?

 

[Ercouper]

Just an update on my project........
I ended up just changing the worn & slightly bent shift fork and installing the new detent spring and reassembling. I also made a valve shim tool and set the valve clearances. By moving shims around, I only needed 2 that I got from the local Honda shop.
I reinstalled the motor and tried to start it only to find that it would not turn over. After some head scratching I determined that #3 cylinder was hydraulic locked due to oil in the cylinder. In the process of removing the spark plug, the small screw holding the pocket clip on my magnetic tool came loose and fell into the spark plug hole. I also noticed that there was oil starting to seep out between the head and block. At that point I decided to take the head off. Evidently the head gasket was leaking. After cleaning the head and piston crowns I am waiting on a new head gasket & bolts. The head gasket failure is really strange because before removing the engine the rocket ran fine with no sign of oil leakage or anything indicating that the head gasket was leaking. It's as if being inverted for a couple of months caused the problem.....which I know makes no sense. ???????

 

[R-III-R Turbo]

Did you have the engine upside down to get at the transmission?

Oil could have seeped down into the combustion chamber, from the camshaft space through a valve too.

 

[Ercouper]

Did you have the engine upside down to get at the transmission?

Oil could have seeped down into the combustion chamber, from the camshaft space through a valve too.

I'm pretty sure that you are correct! Yes, the engine was upside down in the "box" that I built to hold it. I don't know why I didn't think of that. And possibly the head gasket didn't leak until trying to turn the motor over with the oil in the combustion chamber (?). Thanks!
The next time (hopefully there won't be one) I will have to remember to remove the plugs before inverting the engine.