Had to leave Barbers Early

[scot in exile]

Now in Power Commander I could save the tune, here are a few pictures from the power commander

 

[warp9.9]

OK so it is a Tune boy specific map which is why you can not read it. send me the PCV map and I will forward it to Carpenters so they can see if it is one of theirs. The map states both Rocket and rocket touring so they might be the same base map for both. ( you could always get a zero map for the Roadster from Power commander and transfer the fueling data and load it just in case it is a PCV map problem. Did you do a ISCV reset on her?
here is my e-mail
szczepaniak@grics.net

 

[DEcosse]

I looked for a reference reading on the MAP sensor
Found this one:


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So that one is reading ~ 580 (higher rpm however at 900) vs yours at 740 (at 840 rpm)

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Not having played with an R3 on TuneECU, I can't qualify definitively what you would expect at 840 rpm vs 900;
(it will definitely be higher at the lower engine speed - just not sure if by that much)
but my first inclination is that you have a leak (resulting in the higher pressure) and that would make it be rich.

I may be wrong - it would be good to get a qualified answer from another user, regarding what manifold pressure at 840 rpm idle would be.

Some tips on pics vs the camera:
On the laptop, press ALT + PRNTSCRN - then 'paste' into an image editor (even 'paint' will do) and save the image file

It does not appear that you have downloaded the map into TuneECU
Hook up the laptop and go to ECU on main menu -> Read Map
It will then start to upload the map from your ECU to the program (you can then save it with name of your choice, as desired)

 

[DEcosse]

OK so it is a Tune boy specific map which is why you can not read it. ...

What am I missing - where did you see it was a TuneBoy map?

I can't read it real well in the image, but looks like might be 20355 (which would be Roadster TORS map)

If it IS a tuneboy map in the ECU, surely a combination of a PCV map onto of some unknown TuenBoy map would have to be questionable (as to what the net result could possibly be!) ?

 

[Steel]

I don't know if it is anything specific that he sees, but all Carpenter tunes bikes with is Tuneboy.

 

[warp9.9]

What am I missing - where did you see it was a TuneBoy map?

I can't read it real well in the image, but looks like might be 20355 (which would be Roadster TORS map)

If it IS a tuneboy map in the ECU, surely a combination of a PCV map onto of some unknown TuenBoy map would have to be questionable (as to what the net result could possibly be!) ?

Carpenter uses the new tune boy maps on the roadsters the mutli-trim maps which are specified to the ecu on that particular bike. Without the proper tune edit and password you can not change the map. This style of map is not readable with TUNE ECU. The reason the PCV is used is to override the pulse width ratio set in the ecu which can not be changed in either tune boy or tune ecu. This allows full usage of the injectors which are usually locked at 80%.

 

[DEcosse]

This is the 20355 map
Look at the difference in the mass for the two scenarios per the MAP vs RPM readings examples above.

That's almost TWICE as much gas ...........
(Regardless of the actual map, you would expect this range of differential)
Hence my feeling there is very possibly a vac leak, making pressure much higher than should be

 

[DEcosse]

Carpenter uses the new tune boy maps on the roadsters the mutli-trim maps which are specified to the ecu on that particular bike. Without the proper tune edit and password you can not change the map. This style of map is not readable with TUNE ECU. The reason the PCV is used is to override the pulse width ratio set in the ecu which can not be changed in either tune boy or tune ecu. This allows full usage of the injectors which are usually locked at 80%.

Thank you for explanation!
(I knew TuneECU would not read a Tuneboy map - just missing all that background info as to why anyone would use both vehicles)

I could see it needing more gas at wide open with a forced air system - but surely not required if not (in this case?)
Just seems horrendously convoluted to have two separate systems.
I guess you get the 'switchable maps' option with TuneBoy - but otherwise why bother with that?

 

[warp9.9]

Thank you for explanation!
(I knew TuneECU would not read a Tuneboy map - just missing all that background info as to why anyone would use both vehicles)

I could see it needing more gas at wide open with a forced air system - but surely not required if not (in this case?)
Just seems horrendously convoluted to have two separate systems.
I guess you get the 'switchable maps' option with TuneBoy - but otherwise why bother with that?

I think it came about because tune edit even the older 3.99 series would not add enough fuel. No matter how much you told it to add the injectors hit the max pulse width ratio and your done the PCV over rides it. Otherwise you would need larger injectors to just use tune boy. Also tune edit does not make high rpm maps for the rocket so you would be stuck with a 6800 rev limit verses 9000. Of course I have not viewed the 210 package map so I am limited in what is different on it fueling and timing wise. Probably not much timing changes since the compression is the same but still I like to know not guess.
It disappeared but the picture above you posted was not clear or I messed up.

 

[DEcosse]

In a factory map (like the 20355 I used for illustration) the cell values are

~ 2600 or so (interpolating) at 580 hPa vs ~ 4700 at 780 hPa

Almost 2 x

So I'm suspecting that there is a leak that is forcing it up to that 780 value on the MAP sensor