Had to leave Barbers Early

[warp9.9]

I did see the option to update the firmware I will do that

Great I have a PCIII you will be able to teach me how to do that I have not even plugged into it yet for fear I would mess it up.

 

[DEcosse]

Presumably it had initially been running OK (was this hardware & map installed from when you bought it?)
So you would typically be looking to see something that has changed its running condition
Note that pc maps are piggy-back & developed with respect to a given OEM map so whichever oem map it relates to is what should be installed (this should be a 'std' factory map typically but you need to ask specific question)
Again tho even if map was not perfect, you have to ask if/why it may have been running ok, but now not? You would not expect a less than perfect map to either digitally or progressively make it run worse (again note that OEM closed loop should be disabled)

Does this have Auto tune or not?

 

[scot in exile]

Presumably it had initially been running OK (was this hardware & map installed from when you bought it?)
So you would typically be looking to see something that has changed its running condition
Note that pc maps are piggy-back & developed with respect to a given OEM map so whichever oem map it relates to is what should be installed (this should be a 'std' factory map typically but you need to ask specific question)
Again tho even if map was not perfect, you have to ask if/why it may have been running ok, but now not? You would not expect a less than perfect map to either digitally or progressively make it run worse (again note that OEM closed loop should be disabled)

Does this have Auto tune or not?

Did a wee bit research and see that the auto tune is an add on so no it does not have it, bike has been steadily getting worse in the few weeks since I got it although it did run pretty sweet up to Barbers on Thursday(about 300 miles)
Once it encountered slow traffic all hell broke loose had to keep revving to stop stalling, have done nothing but put petrol in it.
Is the closed loop function on tune ecu?
If all else fails i will take it over to the old Kincardine bridge open it up and push it over

 

[DEcosse]

If it is the OEM O2 sensor re-writing it, if you just reset adaptions you will do just that & eliminate those trims - if it starts & runs ok you know that is what is going

If you get to breaking point new Forth Crossings bridge might be easier to drive off - old kincardine bridge never opens up any more.

 

[Discoverydave]

I had a similar problem with my bike. It was fine but then started running rough, I had to keep revs on it to idle. I changed the fule filter which solved it. Not sure if its the same thing but this worked for mine.

 

[DEcosse]

. It was fine but then started running rough, I had to keep revs on it to idle. I changed the fule filter which solved it..

If plugs are black, in this case it's doubtful to be a fuel filter issue (which could only make it lean)

 

[scot in exile]

reset adaptions in tune ecu still the same, could I try a basic tune but save the one installed

 

[DEcosse]

It's possible it would still run like crap if the plugs are heavily sooted
Are you confident there are no leaks around the vac system? (hoses, MAP sensor?)
Will it idle enough to where you can get MAP sensor readings? (if it will not even idle however, know you won't be able to get that)

 

[scot in exile]

i will recheck all the hoses, I changed the plugs this morning and it started right up and was fine for about 10miles now it will not even try to idle(could the plugs foul up so quickly?)

 

[DEcosse]

.... Note that pc maps are piggy-back & developed with respect to a given OEM map so whichever oem map it relates to is what should be installed (this should be a 'std' factory map typically but you need to ask specific question)

So now I am on desktop rather than phone, I can see the PC map - in its notes it says 'Touring Model' so you (reasonably) presume that map was developed with regard to a Touring base map
- that is one big problem with swapping PC maps between bikes - you don't have a single net result, it is a combination of OEM map in the ECU modified by the PC map
So whatever the OEM map is, it will still play a significant part in the final result and it SHOULD be the one upon which the PC map was first developed.
With custom PC maps you can never be sure what that ECU map was - whether it was already modified from OEM before the PC was even applied.

But again - what exactly has changed? Even assuming a less-than-ideal combination mapping condition, why has it deteriorated?
My guess was that the OEM ECU was 'trimming' to overcome the changes input by the PC map;
but that should have been resolved by resetting the adaptions;
however if the performance was dropping off as the plugs became progressively more fouled that could also be a factor.
It could be a combo of both

I sound like broken record, but unless you can get it to at least idle, (wher eyou can get MAP readings) go through the vacuum system meticulously and be sure that you have no open ports, disconnected or ruptured hoses.