Triumph is in trouble

Over here in France (2nd WW market), Triumph is doing very well. Ref. top 20 manufacturers, 2019 results :

First chart shows the units sold with y/y growth and the 2nd one the market share. Guess that in 2020, Triumph will beat Harley (market share over here)

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Given the Anglo Saxon migration in the 5th century all the brits are really German...:whitstling:
Well except that 5 centuries later the Normans - ostensibly French but really well integrated Vikings - flushed most of the Saxons to the confines of the grubby bits close to haggis-lickers and Druidic leftovers.

The Saxons (basically Danes) never made it to the areas where large scary men roam Dartmoor (like his cuddlyness @Nat67) - and where corsairs ruled the coastlines.

On the Plus side however - at least most of the Saxon colonists were there of their own free will - not "transported". ;):whitstling:
 
Royal Infield is killing Triumph. They sell low tech bikes that are reliable and fun to ride. Exactly what the market is looking for. Triumph on the other hand went with high tech and a expensive price tag. Triumph sells were off prior to covid-19.
 
Well except that 5 centuries later the Normans - ostensibly French but really well integrated Vikings - flushed most of the Saxons to the confines of the grubby bits close to haggis-lickers and Druidic leftovers.

The Saxons (basically Danes) never made it to the areas where large scary men roam Dartmoor (like his cuddlyness @Nat67) - and where corsairs ruled the coastlines.

On the Plus side however - at least most of the Saxon colonists were there of their own free will - not "transported". ;):whitstling:


Ah yes.. attack of the cheese-eating surrender-monkeys (apologies to Matt Groening)...between them and the Roman empire's prolonged dominance why did the poms settle for boiled cabbage as the national dish?
 
Ah yes.. attack of the cheese-eating surrender-monkeys (apologies to Matt Groening)...between them and the Roman empire's prolonged dominance why did the poms settle for boiled cabbage as the national dish?
I always associated cabbage (and boiled beef) with the Irish - a country which somehow had a terrible famine although it is entirely surrounded by fish.
 
The Bloor family have done well for Trumpets so far. 400 job losses - yup that's tough. But it's not just bikes. Most "non essential" sales have been hit hard. Nissan have shut factories - And it will not surprise me if one or two more have to close. Bike shops here are only just starting to open up. No point in making bikes if nowhere can sell them And a large number of folk have (through enforcement) discovered a "new" way of life. COVID has most certainly had huge effects - and (IMO) not all are negative.

Wanna make money - sell hand sanitizers. Or face masks.

Triumph like Harley has a major Achilles heal - No small bikes. I know most of us don't look at them, but they are bread and butter for countries like China and India where quite a few folk (sic) with modest incomes live. Countries where despite public transport being heavily subsidized, the coverage in rural areas with poor utilities need cheap, tough transport. BMW do make scooters and sell quite a few. And KTM? - well here there are baby KTM's everywhere.

But here's the dilemma. The small bike market is HIGHLY competitive, and has no brand loyalty to speak of. It is about price, reliability and comfort. So margins have to be low, and turnover is poor. The Indians and Chinese dominate it. They are somehow able to turnaround designs and features much faster than most. And the Indians seem capable of turning "conventional" production theory on it's head. Same quality, but with amazing simple tech solutions. Often using manpower.

And these folk do not want RETRO looks. They want all mod-cons. Retro is what is already there - and still works. Also, contrary to popular belief, countries like India and China are starting to impose Euro(x) style emissions limits.

I confess to being a member of a dying breed - we, Gentlemen, are dinosaurs. Trimph, like us - has to adapt or die.

This is why Triumph have recently partnered with Indian company Bajaj to competitively enter this market

 
This is why Triumph have recently partnered with Indian company Bajaj to competitively enter this market

The ironic thing here is that history is repeating itself. Triumph ignored the small bike market and gave that away to Honda etc... That allowed Honda to develop the 750 four and that was game over for Triumph... Here we are 50 years on and India / China are the new "Japan" and Royal Enfield is starting to go after Triumph's market. They really do need bikes in the 350-650 range at decent price point to avoid becoming a niche player over time
 
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