2022 R3 GT werkes slip on and baffles with DNA air filter tune.

[SasquatcHunter]

I just picked up a used 2022 R3 GT and the previous owner said there is a dna filter in addition to the werkes slip on with baffles, but he didn't know if it was tuned. I haven't pulled the tank to check the filter yet. I'm looking to tune, but more questions keep getting asked without answers from my searches.

I have tune ecu ready to go and bike registered/ all updates and battery tender. Tuneecu says the map is 31249_01 and the Vin is av5456. I don't see a map for that combo.. Would I just grab the 31249 for av5457?

Is there a source for custom tunes with my mods since the penner isn't ideal?

Anyone have a recommendation for a dyno tune in illinois?

Is DNK Tuneworks a valid option?

 

[atomsplitter]

The Penner tune is an optimized tune for the GT or R model and should work with your setup. The standard maps will be restricted. An "off the shelf" map is a great place to start but getting it spot on with any setup would be with a dyno tuner. Try the Penner tune and see if you like that over stock. You can always put the stock map back in if it's not right for you.

 

[SasquatcHunter]

The Penner tune is an optimized tune for the GT or R model and should work with your setup. The standard maps will be restricted. An "off the shelf" map is a great place to start but getting it spot on with any setup would be with a dyno tuner. Try the Penner tune and see if you like that over stock. You can always put the stock map back in if it's not right for you.

With that dna filter and not cat, I'd think the Penner tune still wouldn't be pushing enough fuel for it, but I would think it's still a step up from stock. Problem is I don't know if i should grab the 31249 tune when I'm showing Vin av5456

 

[atomsplitter]

With that dna filter especially, I'd think the Penner tune still wouldn't be pushing enough fuel for it, but I would think it's still a step up from stock. Problem is I don't know if i should grab the 31249 tune when I'm showing Vin av5456

The DNA filter is almost irrelevant to the tuning. The intake won't affect the air flow as much as the exhaust backpressure, never has, never will. Exhaust velocity in the collector dictates how much eduction occurs at the intake during valve overlap, not the filter. The slip-on exhaust does reduce backpressure, so there is some effect on the system, however the stock fueling is adequate even with the slip-ons since they advertise no remap flash required (if memory serves). Also, the fueling is based on a lot of parameters including, airbox pressure, mass air flow, and exhaust O2 as well as throttle demand so the ECU tailors the mix based on what sensor inputs are telling it. You may be over thinking the effect an air filter can make on the performance curve. If you took your air filter off it would not increase power from your engine. Where you need bigger injectors and higher flowing fuel pumps is when you turbo or supercharge. Normally aspirated then a remap and bigger injectors are needed only if exhaust backpressure is severely reduced. If your base map is the 31249 then you should use the first one. If your base map is 31013 then the second one is for you.

 

[SasquatcHunter]

Just about everything I've seen for the penner tunes says stock only and with the cat removed/air filter id be running pretty lean right now.

Are you saying that I could load the 31249 even though my Vin is showing av5456?

Am I right in thinking I grab the stock map and then copy/ paste the modified tables from penners tune into the stock and save/flash?

 

[atomsplitter]

Just about everything I've seen for the penner tunes says stock only and with the cat removed/air filter id be running pretty lean right now.

Are you saying that I could load the 31249 even though my Vin is showing av5456?

Am I right in thinking I grab the stock map and then copy/ paste the modified tables from penners tune into the stock and save/flash?

Not really. Download the Penner tune, it has all the tables in it, no copy or paste required. Then connect to your bike and upload that Penner file (takes about 10 minutes) to your bike's ECU. When done you'll need to run the cruise control switch check because the reprogramming will shut that off until you do the switch check. No MIL light, but there will be an error code if you look for it. Once the switch check is done your cruise will work and the code will be gone. Penner fattened the fueling so it doesn't run as lean as stock.

As far as what tune to use worry more about matching YOUR current ECU tune and less about any VIN. If you go to "information" in TuneECU while connected to your Rocket it will show your ECU's tune file number currently running your EFI. Penner starts with that OEM file number and modifies the tables and saves it under a different name with the file number as part of the new name. If you upload the 31013 tune and it doesn't match your bike's ECU your bike will not start. I mean to the point your starter won't even engage if it's wrong. It will be like you removed the battery even though everything lights up. Ask me how I know. I did that on my 2020 Bobber and that's what I got. Uploaded the correct file that matched my Bobber's ECU and my Bobber fired right up. So, before you start, know which tune file is currently in your bike and match that file with the Penner file number and you won't go wrong.

 

[SasquatcHunter]

Not really. Download the Penner tune, it has all the tables in it, no copy or paste required. Then connect to your bike and upload that Penner file (takes about 10 minutes) to your bike's ECU. When done you'll need to run the cruise control switch check because the reprogramming will shut that off until you do the switch check. No MIL light, but there will be an error code if you look for it. Once the switch check is done your cruise will work and the code will be gone. Penner fattened the fueling so it doesn't run as lean as stock.

As far as what tune to use worry more about matching YOUR current ECU tune and less about any VIN. If you go to "information" in TuneECU while connected to your Rocket it will show your ECU's tune file number currently running your EFI. Penner starts with that OEM file number and modifies the tables and saves it under a different name with the file number as part of the new name. If you upload the 31013 tune and it doesn't match your bike's ECU your bike will not start. I mean to the point your starter won't even engage if it's wrong. It will be like you removed the battery even though everything lights up. Ask me how I know. I did that on my 2020 Bobber and that's what I got. Uploaded the correct file that matched my Bobber's ECU and my Bobber fired right up. So, before you start, know which tune file is currently in your bike and match that file with the Penner file number and you won't go wrong.

It's 31249 so I'll probably throw that in tonight. Thanks for the help.

I can unlock rpm and top speed on top of his tune correct? Probably won't do rpm though.

If I have excessive popping I can start by disabling sai on top of his tune?

I've seen mention of people recommending to disconnect the o2 sensor, is that needed?

 

[atomsplitter]

It's 31249 so I'll probably throw that in tonight. Thanks for the help.

I can unlock rpm and top speed on top of his tune correct? Probably won't do rpm though.

If I have excessive popping I can start by disabling sai on top of his tune?

I've seen mention of people recommending to disconnect the o2 sensor, is that needed?

The SAI would probably be enough since that is causing the majority of decel pop. You can increase the RPM limiter, however the program won't let you pick a ceiling high enough to detonate your motor. I'd leave the O2 sensor as is for now and see how the bike performs for a couple weeks. If you remove the sensor by disabling the input to your ECU with TuneECU, pulling the sensor plug alone just gets you a MIL on the dash and a DTC code number. On Gen 1 bikes it was common to remove the O2 sensor in the exhaust, disable the input and then install a M14 (if memory serves) plug in the hole. The reason you would remove that sensor is to allow the adaptations to run richer than OEM values, however the Penner tune fattened those up (to my understanding) so it's really not necessary.

 

[SasquatcHunter]

The SAI would probably be enough since that is causing the majority of decel pop. You can increase the RPM limiter, however the program won't let you pick a ceiling high enough to detonate your motor. I'd leave the O2 sensor as is for now and see how the bike performs for a couple weeks. If you remove the sensor by disabling the input to your ECU with TuneECU, pulling the sensor plug alone just gets you a MIL on the dash and a DTC code number. On Gen 1 bikes it was common to remove the O2 sensor in the exhaust, disable the input and then install a M14 (if memory serves) plug in the hole. The reason you would remove that sensor is to allow the adaptations to run richer than OEM values, however the Penner tune fattened those up (to my understanding) so it's really not necessary.

Tuned successfully, got rid of some popping, will probably start by trying am extra 3% fuel at closed throttle.

Thanks again for the help

 

[Idaho Red Rocket 3]

It is interesting that you have the last serial number for tune 31013. Penner does have a nicely modified tune for 31013 too. To remove the speed limiter on the R3 you will need to purchase the unlock from TuneECU at 50 Euros. Unles you have the Pro Version. The Pro Version has the speed limiter unlock built into it to unspeed restrict any bike.