Wow, just installed my GI Pro

[T Evans]

Wow, GI Pro installed

I finally found the time to install my new GI Pro (ATRE) automatic timing retard eliminator, and while I was at it I removed the secondary butterflies. That was a big pain trying to re install the air box. I can see triple filters in my near future to get rid of that problem.
I just came in from taking it out for a little spin and I can't believe the difference. The throttle response is snappier and I can feel a big difference in first gear torque. How I can tell is I have never had the front tire that high in the air before and I wasn't even trying.
I just let out on the clutch and then throttled her hard. The front end just came up. When the tire came down I was looking for second gear and now I can hear the rear tire chirping in 2nd and 3rd gear. Oh and it is pretty cool to have a gear indicator also.
Bare in mind I am 6'4", 340 lbs. and if this beast is able to do this with me on it, some of you guys of slighter build had really be on your toes when doing this up grade.
They advertise the GI Pro to eliminate the timing retard in the first 3 gears and to do away with the speed limiter also. Just how much this really gets you, who knows, but I think it was the best 160 bucks I spent on the bike so far.
The true test will be when I get a chance to line up next to my sons 08 Harley V Rod Night Rod that has a few mods done to it. Previously it has been a draw between our 2 bikes. Neither one could pull away from the other. I should be able to pull away from him now in the first 3 gears where before I couldn't. I will let you guys know when we get a chance to hook um up and what the turn out is.

 

[TriumPhil]

That's awesome, T. I am planning on getting the GiPro just as soon as my bike is delivered.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm betting that the only reason you haven't sliced and diced your son's VRod before is because of the weight difference between you and him, not to mention the nearly 100 lb. weight diff between the bikes themselves! That particular HD is a mean machine!

 

[HellFire]

I'm glad you caught that one wheel problem with the GiPro before it caught YOU by suprise. Did you have any trouble with that plug and moving the pins? I was worried that some would shy away from getting one after I mentioned that wires had to be moved. I'm glad you like it as much as I did, enjoy.

 

[Tazshido]

I'm overseas with the Army right now and I could REALLY use a retard eliminator. We have SO MANY retards to eliminate.

 

[dougl]

I find it hard to believe that the GiPro does anything to the timing coming from the Keihin ECU on the Rocket. The extra power you feel probably comes from removing the secondaries.

 

[HellFire]

One more time ...

I find it hard to believe that the GiPro does anything to the timing coming from the Keihin ECU on the Rocket. The extra power you feel probably comes from removing the secondaries.

The pessimism surrounding this thing astounds even me, self proclaimed "KING-OF-DOOM-AND-GLOOM" !
I guess you haven't been listening, it doesn't do anything TOO the timing. It simply goes inline with the gear position sensor, reads what gear it's in and displays it, then sends a false signal to the ECM tricking it into thinking it is in a higher gear thus advancing the timing to what it would be if allowed to produce full power. It also tells the ECM when it's in neutral so that the idle is smooth, something just putting a resistor inline will not accomplish. Simple yet very productive for the investment in time and money. For those new to this, Triumph programs 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear with retarded timing so that there is reduced available power in order to make the bike safer and more docile. Having the 2300cc engine's full potential available in those lower gears would put less experieced riders at risk of losing control. i.e. pulling wheelies when you don't expect it !?!

This little piece of equipment puts the rider back in control of killing themselves before they reach 4th gear.

It manipulates the computer input signals allowing for three things...
1) the display of what gear you're in
2) full timing advance in every gear (based on your prefered setting)
3) elimination of the top end speed limiter

That's it... And it's VERY suprising to find out how that extra juice feels.

The GiPro has my admiration because it does everything so **** quick that there is no processing delay like you might find in other equipment designed to do the same thing. It also doesn't just send pre-programmed values in place of sensor inputs, it reads, learns and duplicates sensor values already present on the bike (all sensors have slightly different ohm/voltage values), then sends them to the ECM based on what you want it to do.

 

[pjl52]

The pessimism surrounding this thing astounds even me, self proclaimed "KING-OF-DOOM-AND-GLOOM" !
I guess you haven't been listening, it doesn't do anything TOO the timing. It simply goes inline with the gear position sensor, reads what gear it's in and displays it, then sends a false signal to the ECM tricking it into thinking it is in a higher gear thus advancing the timing to what it would be if allowed to produce full power. It also tells the ECM when it's in neutral so that the idle is smooth, something just putting a resistor inline will not accomplish. Simple yet very productive for the investment in time and money. For those new to this, Triumph programs 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear with retarded timing so that there is reduced available power in order to make the bike safer and more docile. Having the 2300cc engine's full potential available in those lower gears would put less experieced riders at risk of losing control. i.e. pulling wheelies when you don't expect it !?!

This little piece of equipment puts the rider back in control of killing themselves before they reach 4th gear.

It manipulates the computer input signals allowing for three things...
1) the display of what gear you're in
2) full timing advance in every gear (based on your prefered setting)
3) elimination of the top end speed limiter

That's it... And it's VERY suprising to find out how that extra juice feels.

The GiPro has my admiration because it does everything so **** quick that there is no processing delay like you might find in other equipment designed to do the same thing. It also doesn't just send pre-programmed values in place of sensor inputs, it reads, learns and duplicates sensor values already present on the bike (all sensors have slightly different ohm/voltage values), then sends them to the ECM based on what you want it to do.

Based on the above, what could I expect from the GIPRO as the only mod at this stage, I am a fairly conservative rider (slowed down a bit due to being older and wiser (!)) and do not particularly wish to remove the secondaries at this stage.

Having had my R3 for only a couple of months I have noticed that as an 08 standard bike it does appear a little short on power given it's propensity to lift the front wheel as some modified bikes are capable of on this forum. I have also noted that the bike appears to be not breathing as I would have expected due in no doubt to the restrictive exhaust and air filter system.

My plans are once I have addressed the comfort issues are to fit either the TORS or the Staintunes with the Cat Eliminator and replace the OEM airfilter with the K&N unit. Would in your opinion removing the under seat air intake be mandatory, if so would I have to replace it with anything else or just leave it open, I do not really wish to go down the route of fitting triple K&N's with the associated increase in intake noise.

Hopefully if and when the PC 5 becomes available I will more than likely fit one rather than the Tuneboy as my mechanical ability leaves a little to be desired.

Cheers

Peter

 

[T Evans]

XHOMBRE, You are probably right about the weight difference keeping me from being able to walk away from my sons VRod. Me at 340 lbs and him at 200 lbs.

Hellfire, I must admit that I was a little worried about the wiring until I found the GPS plug and just simply followed the step by step instructions. The instructions stated that the plug was under the left side of the gas tank under a cover with 2 torqx screws. Come to find out it is right behind the bear claw bolted to the frame, and you don't have to remove the tank at all. It did make it easier to route the wire to the display with the tank off. I used the point of a test light to slip into the plugs and that allowed them to just slip out. Once they were out it was a cake walk. The only thing I haven't been able to decide is wear to mount the read out since I have a Corbin faing with a windsheild bag that keeps me from being able to see the display if I mounted it between the gauges.
And you are right, I can't beleive the number of people that have a hard time beleiving that this simple little item does what it says that it does. Fellow Rocktiers, seeing is beleiving and the proof is in the puddin etc.. etc..

You know I said this once and I'll say it again. I wonder if Triumph simply done the same thing with the "NEW Roadster" when they are claiming 15% more torque. If they just removed the Timing Retard in the 1st three gears and now they have a new bike with more horse and more torque.

Peter, This was without a doubt the best bang for the buck I have seen. I have a set of Jardines with the stock air filters and a factory tune. Since I have installed the car tire, the bike now hooks up instead of spinning the tire. As a result I now have a wheelie where once the back tire was breaking lose making the bike get lose in the ass end when I nailed it.
Now the question is, Do I even need a Tuneboy or a PC III. I wonder what they would gain me. If I had even more horses and more torque at my control, I would have to learn to be a better driver in order to control the bike with the throttle and not be able to just nail it. Does that make any sense?

 

[TriumPhil]

It does and what a happy dilemma to have. I won't have my Rocket III for at least a couple more weeks, so I can't help you with your question, Mr. Evans. But, I'm sure that someone will be along promptly to assist.

 

[dougl]

My skepticism about the GiPro is based on the following:

1) I e-mailed GiPro with some technical questions about these issues with respect to the Rocket. After about a month, I got a response which referred me to the attached 2 page installation manual. I took this to mean they didn't know squat about their own product.

2) The Rocket tune maps have 4 tables for ignition (I1, I2, I3, and I4): #1 is for neutral, #2 is for 1st gear, #3 is for 2nd, and #4 is for 3rd, 4th, and 5th. If you have the stock exhaust with cat and you're using the appropriate tune (20222), I4 does indeed have some advance between 2000 and 4000 rpm up to TP of 15% compared to I2 and I3. Presumably, GiPro could fool the ECU to use I4 in place of I3 or I2. Who knows what it does in neutral. In any case, if you've opened it up off the line, you're way above 15% TP and you won't get any advance by telling the ECU you're in 3rd when you're in 1st.

However, in the tune for TORs/cat bypass (20226), there is no difference between I2, I3 and I4 so GiPro won't give you any change in ignition timing with gear, at least with this tune.

If you have a stock exhaust and intake, you're at a big loss and timing is the least of your problems. You're biggest gain in power will be to get freer flowing mufflers and/or headers and get rid of the cat box. All of the stock tunes have power restricted by closing the secondary throttle plates. You can open the secondaries, either by removing them (then compensating for the needed fuel with a PCIII) or by using Tuneboy to open them.

3) Wayne at Tuneboy created a tune for TORs/cat bypass and triple Unifilters. He got the best peak HP by retarding the timing.