Wow, just installed my GI Pro

Ok, you're right and I'm halucinating ... ****, where did I leave my pills?

I don't know where you got your page 2 information, I'm looking right at it now and nowhere does it say what tune/gear/etc it uses for what. So how you came to your conclusions is beyond me.

But you keep up the good work debunking helpful new ideas.
 
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I can't wait to install one on my soon to arrive new baby!
Does it come with a 3 point seatbelt?
 
X I guess you will be the third to install one, you can be the control. Perhaps if it does the same for you then I won't have to listen to how it can't work, why it won't work and we're stupid for having one any longer.
I don't sell the **** things and I could care less if anyone buys one. I tried it, liked it and wrote about it. I have no problem answering any questions about it that I can answer, but I'm sick of hearing that It's voodoo and I'm a nut.
If the next guy wants to trash it without trying it, feel free 'cause I'm out.
 
O.K. by me, satanic one. But I think that we should invite dougl to participate in a paranthetic group hug. We all have opinions, just like we all have ass..., well you get the picture. Doug's opinion was based on conjecture and frustration over the company not responding appropriately to his questions. Your opinion was based on actual usage and a good bit more understanding of the product. Who do you think the readers are going to put more stock in? C'mon, guys, feel the love!

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I hadn't heard of the GiPro before as far as I remember. I did take out the secondaries and put a set of TORS on right after I bought my R3T. When I removed the secondaries I took the bike out to the street and on a roll hit the throttle about a quarter to a third turn and the bike went sideways. Every time I hit it moderately I chirp the tire in the first 3 gears. I am not sure how much more power the tire will take. The **** thing stock tore up two of the originals and I am wondering what it will do to this new one. If the bike is running retarded in the first 3 gears I would like to change it. I didn't get this big engine just to have the factory tell me I can't have all the power.
 
Ok, you're right and I'm halucinating ... ****, where did I leave my pills?

I don't know where you got your page 2 information, I'm looking right at it now and nowhere does it say what tune/gear/etc it uses for what.

That's the point. The literature from GiPro doesn't say anything. Debunking isn't the point - I'm just telling you all what I've learned about the Rocket over the past 5 years.

The efficacy of this depends on what tune you have loaded in your ECU.

You still need to be concerned about fuel!
 
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You seem to be the ideal candidate for going to the Darkside, Willie!
I have a bike with square tires and it tends to make me nervous. I ride like I am on a sport bike, serious lean angles and such. Plus I teach for MSF and use my bike as an example at times. Part of convincing new riders they can actually lean the bike is showing them the tread on the sides. I have thought about going to the darkside, just not convinced it would work for my riding style. I know bike tires work. I don't want to find out the hard way I can't lean as far as I like. I do scrape hard parts frequently.
 
That's the point. The literature from GiPro doesn't say anything. Debunking isn't the point - I'm just telling you all what I've learned about the Rocket over the past 5 years.

The efficacy of this depends on what tune you have loaded in your ECU.

You still need to be concerned about fuel!

I have been reading all these post and have a question. For this thing to work properly do I have to get a new tune on my ecu? This would mean not only the cost of the GiPro but also a tuneboy. Now we are getting into some serous money just to do a burnout a little longer and stand it on its ass, which it would almost do before I took the secondaries out. Haven't hit it hard enough since to see what it would do. Roads have been to wet. Just would like more details about what all is involved. The gear indicator might be nice. I did ride 30 years without one and have only had them in the last 3 years on a couple of other bikes so not a major deal.
 
I hear 'ya, Willie. Allow me to share from my experience.

I am coming over to a rocket III in about 3 weeks or less. For the last seven years I have ridden 2 Honda VTX 1800s, one a C model, the other a Retro. Both threw 100+ HP to the rear wheel and about 120ft/lbs of torque. I am a very agressive rider who spends more time than not attacking the twisties. Any lower bits and pieces that could scrape on my Xes were pretty much bevelled down to 30 degree angles. Over 45 years of riding and approx. 20 different motorcycles owned.

Metzler 880's, B'stone Battleaxes and Dunlop Elites wer the MTs I ran on my Hondas until 3 years ago when I went Darkside with B'stone Potenzas. Mind you, when others rode with me I often was told that I threw the 1800 cc beasts around like they were sport bikes. With the MTs, when I powered through the apex of hard banked and inclined corners, the rear wheel would often break loose on me and naturally the result, often, was a prudent and quick decel. That has never, ever happened one single time since I've gone over. BTW, both the VYTXes had Progressive 440s in the rear and their progressively wound springs up front.

Hard as I tried, the furthest lean I could put those bikes into were about 30 degrees over. I'll assume that the same could be said of the R3. I never was able to put any wear on my CT any closer than within 1"+ from the chicken strip. It is not only a myth that you can or will ride on the sidewall of a CT while cornering, there are several videos that have been made to show the flex of theses tires in the turns and further, showing that a good, directional tread CT has more contact patch connecting with the road a virtually anytime and/or condition vs. a MT.

Now, I am not preaching that all big cruiser riders or anyone else, for that matter, should abandon MTs on their rides in lieu of a CT. For me and anyone else, this is strictly a matter of personal choice and preference. Fact is, I did an enormous amt of research before I decided to give the Darkside a shot. Like most others, when I first heard of the phenomenon, I said to myself that those @#*!ing CT people are gonna' kill themselves, they'll be riding on their sidewalls and that CTs are not engineered or designed to work on motorcycles. That last part there is absolutly true but, guess what? They work and they work ****ed well! They hook up better, they stick better, they corner and, overall handlebetter, they ar infinitely superior and safer in wet, slick conditions, they absorb more bumps and road imperfection better and they last a lot, lot longer than MT's at half the cost or less tire vs tire.

For the first 15-20 minutes that I rode on the Darkside I thought I had made a huge mistake and nearly turned around to go back to the dealer who installed the CT for me to have the MT remounted. However after another 5-10 minutes and as I got into some good twisty, hilly roads a big grin spread over my face. Do understand that the rider input, necessarily, is way different for a CT than it is for maneuvering with a MT. But like any other performance-oriented deviation from a stock or OEM setup, the car tire requires some adjustment or accomodation in rider response and behavior. I believe that that is one key reason alot of people who try a CT, albeit for usually too brief a period of time to judge them accurately, decide that they don't like them - these are often riders who don't have the experience or skill to make the necessary accomodations. Or, they just don't want to change and that is 100% O.K. by me.

In your case, specifically, BigWillie, teaching at the MSF is a definite impediment simply because going Darkside still largely defies many established motorcycling conventions and protocols. Hopefully, someday that will change. For an accomplished rider, in my experience, a CT not only doesn't present any susbstantial limitations to one's riding experience on large cruisers, contrarily it will almost invariably expand one's possibilities and riding pleasure with very few exeptions!

Whatever you do, do it safely and have a good time at it.
 
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