Explain the secondary function to me

It appears, based on some other posts and from my own personal experience, that many of those with 2008+ Touring (detuned from factory)models find the GiPro less impressive than those with non-Touring bikes. I do not fully understand why this is true, but the GiPro didn't do squat for my 2009 R3T.

Or maybe my 60-year-old "butt-o-meter" is just too old and callused to notice a 7% gain?

YMMV,

CW

Someone commented I'm sure that for some reason they're less effective with the Touring due to the different tuning. All I know is it made a big difference to my Standard. I removed secondaries at the same time and, as I've said before, I'm not sure which mod made the most difference. Overall it most definitely had more go (GiPro?) but more importantly had much smoother throttle response (secondaries?). In any case, I think the gear indicator is so useful it's almost worth it for that alone - costs about the same as some useless bit of bling which I'm sure everyone has at least one piece of somewhere on their bike or jacket or helmet or finger...
 
So from what I have read the secondries only part open in first, second and third gear at any throttle position and will be fully open in fourth and fifth.
Have I got that right.
The GiPro will open the secondries right up in all gears, it is that right and is that all the GiPro does.

I just finished researching this exact question (thanks to some folks here who provided some of their expertise offline, I'd give credit but don't want to attach their name in case I got something wrong and they get the blame for it). What we all know is that the
GiPro is an easy way to extract more power from your bike, what most know is that it does this by tricking the ECU into thinking the bike is always in 4th gear, what I didn't know was how it gains power by making the bike believe it is in 4th gear, so I dug into it a bit. What I found was that there are two things that change within the ECU when you are riding in different gears, it pulls a different map for the secondaries and it pulls a different map for the ignition timing. I'll go through both of them here, it may shed some light on why some people aren't experiencing the "wow" factor when installing the GiPro or when they physically remove the secondary butterflies.

SECONDARIES -
For whatever reason Triumph decided to install a secondary throttle in our beautiful machines. This whole thread has been discussing what exactly these do, I will not go into an explanation of that, I only care about what GiPro does. When you look at your ECU maps (in TuneECU, that's a whole other thread) you will notice a special setup for the second throttle. The map settings are based on RPM and what gear you are in. The majority of the tunes (I'll get to the minority in a second) have partially closed secondaries in gear 1-3, by GiPro tricking the ECU into thinking it's always in 4th you have 100% open secondaries all the time. This is good but not the entire solution to removing the factory torque limiter. For those who have not experienced the "wow" factor when installing the GiPro it could be that you have a tune loaded that restricts the secondaries in ALL gears. I went through some of the more common maps and found these that have restrictions in all gears, this is by no means a complete list so you may want to have a TuneECU person check yours for you (ideally you should load TuneECU on your computer and take a look even if you never connect your bike, it is a good learning experience to dig inside the maps). You can't tell what tune is loaded on your bike for sure without connecting and actually looking but you can take an educated guess by going through the list here OEM_Tune_list and finding the best match to your bike. Here's the short list of tunes that have secondary restrictions in all gears:
20149
20223
20225
20226
20228
20256 (R3T)
20352 (R3R)
20355 (R3R)
20366 (R3T TORS)

If your bike's tune falls on this list you will not receive the full benefit (some tunes have full restrictions in all gears, some are partial restrictions in gear 4 and 5) of a GiPro without changing your map and/or physically removing your secondaries. This partially explains why some captains aren't getting the big "wow" factor that others are experiencing with the GiPro.

IGNITION MAPPING -
The other factor in the GiPro magic is the change in ignition timing. Again, I'm not going to go into the whole subject of what this is, there are other threads that cover this, I'm only concerned with what the GiPro is doing. In your bikes map there are three ignition timing tables, what gear you are in determines what table the bike uses. I1 is for first gear, I2 gears 2 and 3, I3 is for gears 4 and 5 (Note to TuneECU users, you have to load the latest version 1.9.7 to see this correctly, previous version have it wrong or incomplete). This is where Triumph really restricts the power in the lower gears, if you removed the secondaries on your bike and think you did what the GiPro does you are wrong, there's a lot more power waiting to be tapped in these tables. This is the real benefit of the GiPro's ATRE function, tapping into the I3 table all the time will certainly increase your power output.

CONCLUSION -
First thing in the conclusion, as it has to be said, once you have gotten your bike to lose the restrictions of the secondaries and the ignition timing you really should get a dyno tune to really tap into the power completely. GiPro is great for the rider who just wants to keep it simple, easy install and instant power gains (with some exceptions) with the benefit of keeping the ECU program at stock settings, a gear indicator, and the ability to turn off the power gains by pressing a button (great in rainy conditions). For those who want to dig further and get the gains of the GiPro on the cheap, explore the TuneECU option and tap into the power yourself. Hope this helps :D


Disclosure: I have a new, never used GiPro in the classifieds for sale. I'm one of those tech geeks who is comfortable with reprogramming the ECU so I went that route (after ordering one).
 
You can do the same thing as a Gipro for about $1.50. By unplugging the wire off the gear position sensor and running it to ground through I believe it's a 640 ohm resister (there is a thread on the .com site about it) you fool the ecu into thinking it's in 4th gear (this also removes the speed limiter because it only works in 5th gear). The secondaries still close down at low speeds but open 100% when you can it. There is a lag there while the servo opens them up. This inexpensive mod makes a big difference but for the real raw power off the line, the secondaries must be removed. You'll be glad you did ! I find no problem riding in the rain with them out.
 
You can do the same thing as a Gipro for about $1.50. By unplugging the wire off the gear position sensor and running it to ground through I believe it's a 640 ohm resister (there is a thread on the .com site about it) you fool the ecu into thinking it's in 4th gear (this also removes the speed limiter because it only works in 5th gear). The secondaries still close down at low speeds but open 100% when you can it. There is a lag there while the servo opens them up. This inexpensive mod makes a big difference but for the real raw power off the line, the secondaries must be removed. You'll be glad you did ! I find no problem riding in the rain with them out.
I had the resister modification prior to getting a GiPro ... first off, try getting a 640 ohm resistor :eek:, that alone is enough to discourage anyone. I ended up putting one together and ran it for a couple months, it made a difference but I was never sure I was getting all there was available. The GiPro felt stronger than my resistor pack probably because there was a difference between 4th and 5th maps and the Pro let me select between them rather than being stuck with one.

I personally would recommend to anyone going that route to take resistance measurement directly from YOUR bike to determine what the ohms are in your case for 4th and 5th, then duplicate those. You might even think about making it so you can swap out resistors to try different gears and see which works better for your bike since there are so many different tunes out there.
 
I just finished researching this exact question (thanks to some folks here who provided some of their expertise offline, I'd give credit but don't want to attach their name in case I got something wrong and they get the blame for it). What we all know is that the
GiPro is an easy way to extract more power from your bike, what most know is that it does this by tricking the ECU into thinking the bike is always in 4th gear, what I didn't know was how it gains power by making the bike believe it is in 4th gear, so I dug into it a bit. What I found was that there are two things that change within the ECU when you are riding in different gears, it pulls a different map for the secondaries and it pulls a different map for the ignition timing. I'll go through both of them here, it may shed some light on why some people aren't experiencing the "wow" factor when installing the GiPro or when they physically remove the secondary butterflies.

SECONDARIES -
For whatever reason Triumph decided to install a secondary throttle in our beautiful machines. This whole thread has been discussing what exactly these do, I will not go into an explanation of that, I only care about what GiPro does. When you look at your ECU maps (in TuneECU, that's a whole other thread) you will notice a special setup for the second throttle. The map settings are based on RPM and what gear you are in. The majority of the tunes (I'll get to the minority in a second) have partially closed secondaries in gear 1-3, by GiPro tricking the ECU into thinking it's always in 4th you have 100% open secondaries all the time. This is good but not the entire solution to removing the factory torque limiter. For those who have not experienced the "wow" factor when installing the GiPro it could be that you have a tune loaded that restricts the secondaries in ALL gears. I went through some of the more common maps and found these that have restrictions in all gears, this is by no means a complete list so you may want to have a TuneECU person check yours for you (ideally you should load TuneECU on your computer and take a look even if you never connect your bike, it is a good learning experience to dig inside the maps). You can't tell what tune is loaded on your bike for sure without connecting and actually looking but you can take an educated guess by going through the list here OEM_Tune_list and finding the best match to your bike. Here's the short list of tunes that have secondary restrictions in all gears:
20149
20223
20225
20226
20228
20256 (R3T)
20352 (R3R)
20355 (R3R)
20366 (R3T TORS)

If your bike's tune falls on this list you will not receive the full benefit (some tunes have full restrictions in all gears, some are partial restrictions in gear 4 and 5) of a GiPro without changing your map and/or physically removing your secondaries. This partially explains why some captains aren't getting the big "wow" factor that others are experiencing with the GiPro.

IGNITION MAPPING -
The other factor in the GiPro magic is the change in ignition timing. Again, I'm not going to go into the whole subject of what this is, there are other threads that cover this, I'm only concerned with what the GiPro is doing. In your bikes map there are three ignition timing tables, what gear you are in determines what table the bike uses. I1 is for first gear, I2 gears 2 and 3, I3 is for gears 4 and 5 (Note to TuneECU users, you have to load the latest version 1.9.7 to see this correctly, previous version have it wrong or incomplete). This is where Triumph really restricts the power in the lower gears, if you removed the secondaries on your bike and think you did what the GiPro does you are wrong, there's a lot more power waiting to be tapped in these tables. This is the real benefit of the GiPro's ATRE function, tapping into the I3 table all the time will certainly increase your power output.

CONCLUSION -
First thing in the conclusion, as it has to be said, once you have gotten your bike to lose the restrictions of the secondaries and the ignition timing you really should get a dyno tune to really tap into the power completely. GiPro is great for the rider who just wants to keep it simple, easy install and instant power gains (with some exceptions) with the benefit of keeping the ECU program at stock settings, a gear indicator, and the ability to turn off the power gains by pressing a button (great in rainy conditions). For those who want to dig further and get the gains of the GiPro on the cheap, explore the TuneECU option and tap into the power yourself. Hope this helps :D


Disclosure: I have a new, never used GiPro in the classifieds for sale. I'm one of those tech geeks who is comfortable with reprogramming the ECU so I went that route (after ordering one).

Great post Buffalo, thanks! I am going to stick with the Gipro but I downloaded TuneECU just to take a look at the tune my Rocket has (20222, top graph) and it appears the Gipro will help a lot. Just for kicks I also looked at one of the tunes you listed that has restricted secondaries in all gears (20228 Standard Rocket with Aftermarket pipes and empty catbox) for comparison.
 

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Gipro installed

Got the Gipro installed today and I am definitely NOT dissapointed.:D The performance gains were as promised and I like the gear indicator a lot more than I thought I would, in fact, after riding around with it for a while I would miss it if I didn't have it. It works flawlessly, always indicating the right gear. I am impressed. I spliced the wires into my heated seat wires and that worked out nicely.
 
Ain't it funny how a few are resistant to the whole idea?

It's one hell of a cheap thrill isn't it? Glad you got it hooked up and working right first shot, enjoy the new toy and try to keep the front wheel on the ground. ;)
 
Ain't it funny how a few are resistant to the whole idea?

It's one hell of a cheap thrill isn't it? Glad you got it hooked up and working right first shot, enjoy the new toy and try to keep the front wheel on the ground. ;)

Yup, a cheap thrill, and a nice little gizmo to entertain you. I really like watching the gear indicator going up and down the gears.
 
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