10K Darkside Update

[damaged]

No mouth shooting hear...I agreed that a Car tire gets more millage and is lees expensive....But until some one duz a side by side comparison with the two I am not buying into the car tire out handling or being equal to the MC tire in the twisty s..... Gunshots is welcome to by a 2800 $ canyon carver with his savings to run with me,but I would prefer he bring his darkside to the canyon so I can compare the two....I have road with a darkside on a Rune and he bored me to death....The R3 might magically eliminate the flat spot....Any darksiders in Ca....Damaged wants to go for a ride.

 

[HeR3tic]

No mouth shooting hear...

Just beating your beasts. As has been said time and again, to each his own. I can appreciate a purist. I can also appreciate a bit of thrift. If you rode as many miles as I do you'd be sick and tired of laboring over another tire chance with all the issues involves. There no sense in getting hyper about it. It's my choice. And unless you're one to force your position on others, speak to the legislature. With bribery money I'm positive you could get a federal law passed and we'd (darksiders) be forced to live up to your standards.

When it comes time for your next tire change try a darkside tire for a few thousand. Then report back.

I find no differences in my riding style/performance on the twisties now as previously with the stock Metler. Just face; it (a darkside tire) works for me and numerous others.

 

[goodfellow]

fair enough, Damaged.

No mouth shooting hear...I agreed that a Car tire gets more millage and is lees expensive....But until some one duz a side by side comparison with the two I am not buying into the car tire out handling or being equal to the MC tire in the twisty s..... Gunshots is welcome to by a 2800 $ canyon carver with his savings to run with me,but I would prefer he bring his darkside to the canyon so I can compare the two....I have road with a darkside on a Rune and he bored me to death....The R3 might magically eliminate the flat spot....Any darksiders in Ca....Damaged wants to go for a ride.

That's fair enough for me. I would really like for you ride a darkside setup for yourself so you can see what I'm trying to say about all of this. Hope someone with a good setup shows up so you can try it out for yourself. I think you might have a very good time carving with it, once you get the feel of it. it's different,but you'll see what I mean pretty quickly. the feel is more pronounced than a conventional tire.it doesn't drift much at all. kinda like being on a rail. you would probably like this as I do. My guess is that you're a pretty aggressive rider like myself,so this may suit you. Just remember this, when a sticky car tire starts to let go and you back off to recover, it will do so very quickly! a sub 200 tread wear compound is no joke when cornering at the very edge. treat it with the same respect as you would a conventional tire. my thoughts are that you're gonna have a blast exploring all of this and I look forward to it.

greg

 

[damaged]

Dang!!!! this is a touchy subject....And I do understand why.....If no California pilots chime in by the time I get my rear tire wore out.... I will consult goodfellow for the right set up.I am going to need a front and a rear this time...I am getting about 7 thousand mls on the Metz rear and 14 on the front . The side walls are wore just about the same as the center of the tire, so I do love to push in the turns. With and without a passenger. So the tire needs to transition with her on the back to. I do not want to give up performance in that department, cuz to me that is where the thrill of riding is. The car tire that was on the Rune I rode with was not helping in this regard .....If I do not like the car tire in 7 mls I will put a Metz back on.....Till then Damaged will wear out the Metz. I have a couple thousand to go....Come on California Darksiders , don't make Damaged do this with out a comparison.

PS...Goodfellow . No Kind of tire on a R3 will enable it toast a sport bike in the twisty s with the riders havening the same ability. Staying with a R3 on my D12 would be a walk in the park, and it cant come close to competing with the new sport bikes. If they are good riders you are performing some kind of magic....Do you have carbon fiber rims and finders, an maybe a set of rear sets with the forewords eliminated like Gragor's Platatina RS....If so you might have a fighting chance to keep a sport bike in your sites but I still doubt it.

PSS... Can you explain.....When a car tire starts to let go it recovers quickly ...Cuz the Metz has never let go. And it dont drift.

 

[damaged]

HeR3tic...In your first post you said...It has its draw backs but I am adaptive...Next post....I find no differences in my riding style/performce on the twisties as previously with the stock metler...Please explain, cuz Damaged cant make them both fit.

 

[goodfellow]

PS...Goodfellow . No Kind of tire on a R3 will enable it toast a sport bike in the twisty s with the riders havening the same ability. Staying with a R3 on my D12 would be a walk in the park, and it cant come close to competing with the new sport bikes. If they are good riders you are performing some kind of magic....Do you have carbon fiber rims and finders, an maybe a set of rear sets with the forewords eliminated like Gragor's Platatina RS....If so you might have a fighting chance to keep a sport bike in your sites but I still doubt it.

PSS... Can you explain.....When a car tire starts to let go it recovers quickly ...Cuz the Metz has never let go. And it dont drift.[/quote]

yes, that may be so in sharp 'S' turns where light weight and 'flickability' are the determining factors. that's where the rocket is at a disadvantage no matter what kind of tire set up we have. the situation changes dramatically when the turns become sweepers with crosswinds present. this is where the weight and power of the rocket comes to the fore front. Mathis has sweepers and cross winds. any one who rides there knows this.I love that place. It enables me to take full advantage of the rockets handling capabilities and power. they are severe enough,that the turns become all about power and torque. the car tire on the rocket shines in this environment as you will soon see.

40mph sweepers are easily taken at 100mph+ when a lightweight sport bike is struggling to stay on line in a 30 mph cross wind. the straights are short enough so that I don't have to struggle to stay up on the top. It's a perfect environment for the rocket. the pavement is somewhat coarse, this is to the the sticky car tires advantage. you know that when you push hard into a turn and power through the apex, the bike wants to drift to the outside? well,this is much less pronounced with the car tire profile.It bites a lot harder on coarse pavement.The fact that the rocket is a very heavy bike,makes ideal for a car tire configuration. There is enough weight to utilize all of the car tires handling capabilities. So,in closing,there you have it. Yes there are very real limits to the rocket when dealing with sport bikes in "their" environment. But,a rocket,in it's own environment, will show it self to be pretty good company also.I have a lot of respect for sport bikes,I ride one when ever some one will let me. But, the more I learn about the rocket and what it can do in so many different scenarios,the more I come to enjoy it's company every day. This, of course, is probably nothing new to you,as you probably know all of this already. when you get ready to go darkside, let me or the forum know and we'll get it done up right. till then bro,be safe.....


greg

 

[Gunshots]

HeR3tic...In your first post you said...It has its draw backs but I am adaptive...Next post....I find no differences in my riding style/performce on the twisties as previously with the stock metler...Please explain, cuz Damaged cant make them both fit.

The drawbacks to the darkside tire are all at low parking lot, flea market speeds anything over 15-20 mph the ill handling effects are gone. Once you grow accustomed to the tire you will corner and as you always have. In my case I didn't scrape the floorboards before and I still don't. This tire will take all the balls I have to give it. That is all I need.

 

[Sidecar Flip]

I'm thinking that this year at Youleaka in the Spring, maybe we should have a burn out competition like they have at Hardley rallies. You know, the contestants put their front wheels against an immovable object, rev it up, dump the clutch and incenerate the tire. The winner is the one who blows his tire in the least amount of time and he gets a new tire. All the loosers buy their own.

I'll watch and take pictures. I'm retired and can't afford such stupidity.

 

[Gunshots]

Sounds fun, I'll bring my old metzler

 

[HeR3tic]

HeR3tic...In your first post you said...It has its draw backs but I am adaptive...Next post....I find no differences in my riding style/performce on the twisties as previously with the stock metler...Please explain, cuz Damaged cant make them both fit.

Aside from what Gunshots says to follow below, the crowned center section of the highways require additional counter-steering. Not on the crown itself but tending away from it. Finding the level section, such as the crown itself, is a minor issue. It's not rocket science. A straight line banking section of road also presents a similar need for additional counter steering as a result of the much greater amount of contact patch. For some that may be in the realm of rocket science. In the twisties or sweepers it's not an issue. And perhaps less counter-steering effort is necessary in the twisties since the darkside bike is already trying to lean itself in the banking, as a result of the greatly increased contact patch.

The subject is not such a touchy matter; until someone (that would be you, damaged) thinks they know what they're talking about without having the experience themselves. It's like eating oysters or mud puppies. You either love 'em or hate 'em (having never eaten a oyster yourself) but don't expect me to stop eating them, on your say so. Even after you've eaten a dozen (don't stop at one) and arrive at the opinion you hate 'em; I'm still going to eat them. Got it, damaged?

The drawbacks to the darkside tire are all at low parking lot, flea market speeds anything over 15-20 mph the ill handling effects are gone. Once you grow accustomed to the tire you will corner and as you always have. In my case I didn't scrape the floorboards before and I still don't. This tire will take all the balls I have to give it. That is all I need.

Pot holed flea market driveways and alley ways are sometimes a handful. But as long as you expect it, there's no real drama. And this fatty of mine will put the meat on the table without leaving any skin behind.