What Happens if....

Is that a rhetorical question? You know if Phil recommended it-it was good. Better yet it is GREAT!
NO I am the one that talked Phil into using the tires so I was aking how you like the tire change
 
All of my tire experiments occurred as the result of Art's research, expertise and advice. There's no one more knowledgeable about anything regarding motorcycles than he on any of these sites, IMO.

From here on out, feel free to call me Test Crash Dummy #1!
 
Little confused here. You have a 2007 classic with stock exhaust, including the cat box. You wanted to remove the plenum and put a Ramair on. If you did this, you would lose power because the tune you have in there won't have enough fuel. But you've ordered a Dobek AFR? If you hooked this up, you could theoretically add the needed fuel to go with your Ramair. But I see no point in putting on the Ramair with the stock mufflers. It's just a big hassle for little power gain after you retune it.

Now, you have access to D&D mufflers? These are 3-1-2 with both mufflers on the right side? With the stock intake, this would be close to the 3 TOR's with the cat bypass pipe and the stock 20226 or better, the 20050 decel tune would probably work. But if you put the Ramair on, you need more fuel and the 20050 decel tune won't work. But your Dobek with AFR+ probably would. I don't know how these AFR systems work - you still need to supply A/F targets - my feeling is that if tuning requires my input, the result would be worse than if I brought it to a good tuner . I would prefer scrapping the AFR and having a dyno tuner tune the Dobek on a dyno. Since most dyno tuners use Dynojet dynos, a Power Commander might be easier for them to deal with.
 


So IMFAST=ART...Ok..Hey Art...they are FANTAASTIC! My stealership got all PO'd when I dragged in the 140/75 Michelin Commander II but when I road that bike home I was putting some serious lean into and they handled unbelievable. As a matter of fact I like the way this bike handles compared to a Honda ST1300 I had.

Excellent tire suggestion..Thank you ART and PHIL!
 


Doug...Let me preface that saying NOTHING is done well in SC. I have had to go all the way to NASCAR CITY(Mooresville NC) to have my GTO dyno'd and they do not do bikes.

This State does not have good Dynos nor Tuners...sad to say.

Doug...I want to remove the plemum for ease of maintenance and to install the AFR+.

Are you saying that with the Ramair and the ability have the AFR+ I will get back to stock without changing the exhaust.

In other words.....Install Ramair and AFR+ and the wideband lambda will adjust for the the A/F ratio through the Dobeck and I am back to stock numbers...in Torque?

That would be zen as I am not looking for extra power just ease of mot having the plenum there and the AFR+ would richen the AF ratio back to stoich.

But I think Clav said he dyno'd this RAMAIR/stock and lost the 27ft lbs. IF the DP AFR+ gets that back..its all good.
 
The stock manifold is designed to produce low rpm TRQ and thats why the stock bike works well if your not interested in anymore top end power
 

In principle, yes. The Dobek regulates the fuel and the AFR tells it how much to add or subtract.

That would be zen as I am not looking for extra power just ease of not having the plenum there and the AFR+ would richen the AF ratio back to stoich.

It would probably be adding fuel, as the Ramair should be adding air. Whether that would give you stock power or better is an open question. Ideally, better.

If you do this, you should take whatever tune is in there and open the secondaries 100%. That would cost you $20 for a TuneECU cable. The Dobek would compensate. No sense in just throwing power away.
 
LOTS OF GREAT POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHATATHREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREG, YOU STARTED IT
The funny thing is - The more I've learned, the less I think I want to do
 


Agreed...I need to find the right cable and I would have to see what ECU I am running on this 2007 Classic.....Drop a Power Tripp on it then futz with the secondaries.
 
LOTS OF GREAT POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHATATHREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREG, YOU STARTED IT
The funny thing is - The more I've learned, the less I think I want to do

No doubt..If I did not have the RAMAIR AND AFR+ coming in I would just leave it Bone Stock and use the money to prepay my funeral..It's a Saturn V stock. I like the sewing machine sound as 5-0 wont hear you and if they usually hear you-then they see you and its game over.