cane, I understand where you come from with your youngest daughter I had my heart rolled and kicked with my only daughter not so much the drug but she just made it as difficult as possible . I sincerely hope yours will come to her senses and return to the fold.
 
Cane, my kiddo with the troubles is and adult, so there's limited I can do but be supportive. I'd say a change of scene can work, but one of my favorite quotes: No matter where you go, there you are.
When we moved to Maine, we took the kids out of a terrible environment of monied spoiled kids where we never knew where they were, it was a shocker that worked. They became best friends and remain so today ... just that the youngest can not seem to stop drinking until whatever is in sight is consumed, then he'd clean out my cabinet too.
A film I saw way back then that scared the **** out of me? Less Than Zero with Robert Downey. Forget the license is a great idea. Young girl drivers can be the most dangerous on the road, or so I was told at an MC refresher course about 10 years ago.
 
yea she is full of good ones but she will never drive as long as I could help it unless she changes.
Its just makes me scared thinking how many cars she got in when her friends that did pot or drinking, now that scare the **** out of me.
 
I feel for ya. My daughter got caught up in a new drug called molly (take off of ecstasy) over the summer. She was enrolled in a 2 yr college to start but never made it past the first few weeks. She didnt go to class and was to busy "hanging out". Something scared her bad and she stopped but not before I got a hold of her and confined her to the house for a couple months. Didnt need rehab but it screwed up the start of her adult life for a while. Now shes in boston working to afford the apartment she lives in and getting everything set to start the art institute in the fall. Im hoping it works out!

Kids these days in the states are under the impression that theyre "entitled" and this is not good. Theyre spoiled and rude and inconsiderate. Wonder if my parents generation said the same thing! :D

Good luck!

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Man I more than understand, I don't have kids of my own of course but I suffer from that "look at your uncle, no don't ... wait, can you help me with my kids?" syndrome.
Friends and family have always asked me to help them relate to their kids. They gravitate toward me for whatever reason at all ages, I think it's because I don't lie about anything (the cool toys don't hurt either). For the same reason parents ask, they also keep kids away from me. I don't give them social freedom, I put their ass on a mini bike and give them freedom to hurt themselves or not. Parents try to protect kids from things they are familiar with, how can you protect them from stuff you have no knowledge of?

It's precisely this that is why this country will have a shortage of mechanics and technicians very soon. We perceived wheeled machines as dangerous and pointed kids away from things that can hurt them so they don't know why a car runs. Wouldn't you rather your kids use a wrench to see how fast they can go than a needle to see how high they can get? They are going to push the limits, that what kids do. If a kid is so infatuated with driving, perhaps they should be required to understand every aspect of it. Starting with what makes it go, what it takes to maintain it, how to do it yourself and consequences of not following through. I wanted to drive so badly that I built my own car from spare parts when I was 14. I know that's not really feasible these days, but surely there are vocational schools that have programs. If there aren't, then there should be.

We are products of the 80's, didn't really rebel against our parents by running away because we didn't need to. We could sneak **** under their noses as easily as kids today can sneak **** under yours. Problem is, they have no where that isn't in the public eye to do it. Someone somewhere is going to bust them sooner or later, and the consequences are that much worse because now it's a PC thing. And the **** they are into is 10 times stronger and more available than we ever experienced. You can't be their friend anymore, that doesn't work. I think we've come full circle and expect children to be more adult then the are capable of. They have too much unproductive free time.
We give them freedoms that qualify them as adults. But they all can't handle it. A good 50 percent of them are just a tad immature and fall prey to the other half.
honestly, if I had kids right now ... I'd hold them back 2 years before starting them in school. Or maybe before high school ... they need a chance to grow up before being bombarded with all this electronic, sex, drug, social bull****.

This isn't advice, I'm the last to advise anyone on anything. I get in trouble by saying things I think others are mulling over in their head. I'm just glad you are doing something ... so many rely on government to raise their kids. Good job.

Your instinct to take them out of the influence is good, but can you succeed in cutting them off from it completely just by moving? Are they mature enough to handle the access to the world through the internet? Parents have so much to think about, I don't envy you and have nothing but respect for those who take responsibility.

I wish you lots of luck and don't give up. If you have to, ship them off to the middle of nowhere until them grow up. whatever it takes. Leaving children to their own devices in mass is nothing but trouble. more power to ya, do what you gotta do.
 
Hey, take that last post with a grain of salt .... I've too much time on my hands the last couple days and been feeling sorry for myself as well.
 
In my line of business (cyber safety) one of the biggest problems to be overcome is that parents are either oblivious to the problems their kids are facing or are in denial. Just by being aware of the problem and taking steps to address it you have won half the battle. Unfortunately the other half is the tricky part.

Moving to a new physical environment might mean you need to be even more vigilant about the unseen and covert risks that the online world present. There are plenty of tools and sources of advice on those topics, so just remember you're not on your own. Hope it all works out for you.
 
It's certainly a smaller world now than before ... moving from one environment to another is more difficult these days with all that "connectivity". Seems you may have to distract them or they will find a way to communicate with bad influences from their prior local.

Is there such thing as a "non-cyber" summer camp? The kind where electricity is for lights and nothing else?
 
Interestingly my 16yo happily went on a 2 week camp last October without phones, computers, TV etc. No electricity at all. He said he was actually looking forward to the break. Compare that to a year or two ago where I swear it was as if you were cutting his arms off. Maybe it's an early sign of maturity or possibly (hopefully) his generation is beginning to understand the value of peace and quiet, being off-line and uncontactable. Who knows, it might even become cool.
 
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