Queensland Bikie Gangs

[torchie]

Not sure about Australia but in the U.S. repeated unlawful acts done by people willing to go to jail/prison are about the only way to get the politicians to change the laws, usually takes years.

 

[TOMCAT]

All well and good sitting behind your computer holed away in your lounge room slinging criticism at those that bothered to do something .. not sure exactly what 'direct action' you are suggesting .. maybe sitting behind your computer holed away in your lounge room ..writing letters. Sure the riders in Qld would appreciate your courageous 'direct action' TasOwner.

By the way I notice your Premier has no intention to bring these draconian laws to your state. Happy for his Police to investigate , charge and prosecute those committing criminal activity .. that's all we in Qld are asking be done .. not eroding 'all' our civil liberties and fundamental rights .. leaving us free to do as we wish with whoever we choose as long as we stay within the letter of the law.

 

[TasRocketRider]

What I was saying was that doing something, no matter what the intention, that could be LABELLED (interpreted/misinterpreted) by others as being unlawful etc. Not referring to the act itself but how others might choose to use it against you. As I said, you need to read the words I used, not what you think i said.

Thanks for the clarification. You make a very valid point.

I am sure those in QLD authority would love any opportunity to reinforce this Law however trivial the act maybe.

My simple point is finding the right medium and message to counter this Law is going to be complex and difficult. Having read more about it, I agree with others that it must be found.

As motorbike riders we are an unorganised and an ill disciplined rabble so it is hard to see an effective and organised approach to this issue.

 

[TasRocketRider]

All well and good sitting behind your computer holed away in your lounge room slinging criticism at those that bothered to do something .. not sure exactly what 'direct action' you are suggesting .. maybe sitting behind your computer holed away in your lounge room ..writing letters. Sure the riders in Qld would appreciate your courageous 'direct action' TasOwner.

By the way I notice your Premier has no intention to bring these draconian laws to your state. Happy for his Police to investigate , charge and prosecute those committing criminal activity .. that's all we in Qld are asking be done .. not eroding 'all' our civil liberties and fundamental rights .. leaving us free to do as we wish with whoever we choose as long as we stay within the letter of the law.

Our State is safe for now but we an election next year with a probably change of Government so the laws could change too.

I don't have the answer but I am belief that tearing around on Bikes any Sunday ain't going help. Think we best agree to disagree on that one?

Maybe it is incumbent on myself and others to fight your battle beyond the Qld borders? Flick me Newman's address and I will send him an open letter if you like?

There go the holidays to Coolangatta be Tweeds Heads from now on.............

 

[joey fletcher]

Dang.....I thought I knew what this fight was about.......Now I am so lost as to what is going on????

Try to help me out on this.....Who is Newman and what is his job???

Is Tasmania part of Australia ???

Does this new biker law cover the entire country of Australia???

I am so confused now about this issue.....I guess I need to do some research on Australia laws of the land

I still think profiling bikers as all bad guys should be against the law..........If any of the 1% biker are not breaking the law they should be left alone.

Also if they are some of the 1% bikers in a club that is breaking the law....then the law should go after the ones that are law breakers.....and leave the rest of the club alone

The way it sounds to me here is....If T/C had a brother, that was breaking the law.......Then the law has a right to arrest everyone in T/C's family....including his father, mother, T/C, sister and anyone else that lived in that house hold

Or am I way off base ???

 

[R3Tex]

Ok guys...I've been watching this thread with considerable interest (what can I say...I'm a sucker for lost causes) and I have a question...is there a national association in Oz that looks after the rights of motorcyclists? Here we have this American Motorcyclist Association I'm not sure that it has as much of an impact as we would like but they do things like lobby the government, fight dumbass laws, organize protests, and generally fight for the rights of motorcyclists. If you don't maybe this is the time for those who seek an appropriate "direct action" avenue to organize one. If you do have one and they are piss weak maybe its time to put some bite in their bark. Even the 1% clubs support AMA here in Texas because they know they directly benefit from the efforts. I can walk into a crowd of 1% bikers wearing an independent AMA patch and be good all night (as long as I'm not being a drunk dickhead)

 

[TOMCAT]

Dang.....I thought I knew what this fight was about.......Now I am so lost as to what is going on????

Try to help me out on this.....Who is Newman and what is his job???

Is Tasmania part of Australia ???

Does this new biker law cover the entire country of Australia???

I am so confused now about this issue.....I guess I need to do some research on Australia laws of the land

I still think profiling bikers as all bad guys should be against the law..........If any of the 1% biker are not breaking the law they should be left alone.

Also if they are some of the 1% bikers in a club that is breaking the law....then the law should go after the ones that are law breakers.....and leave the rest of the club alone

The way it sounds to me here is....If T/C had a brother, that was breaking the law.......Then the law has a right to arrest everyone in T/C's family....including his father, mother, T/C, sister and anyone else that lived in that house hold

Or am I way off base ???

Sorry for any confusion Joey , I've mainly been commenting for my fellow countrymen to be honest.
#1 Newman is Campbell Newman the newly elected Liberal/National premier of Queensland.
#2 Tasmania is indeed part of Australia , a beautiful small island down south as far as you can go.
#3 No these new laws are only in Queensland. Similar laws have been tried in New South Wales, Western Aust and South Aust ..all were overturned by the High Court of Australia as they were deemed to be unconstitutional and a breach of human rights and interfered with the separation of power between Government and the judicial system.

What the Qld Government has done is class all 1%er clubs as criminal organisations and banned all the members from associating with each other of going to any premises or place in a group of more than two at a time. If there are three together they go to prison for 15 years.
Whole argument is "target the criminal elements within the clubs and leave the rest alone" it's pretty simple.

 

[mr hunt]

Sorry for any confusion Joey , I've mainly been commenting for my fellow countrymen to be honest.
#1 Newman is Campbell Newman the newly elected Liberal/National premier of Queensland.
#2 Tasmania is indeed part of Australia , a beautiful small island down south as far as you can go.
#3 No these new laws are only in Queensland. Similar laws have been tried in New South Wales, Western Aust and South Aust ..all were overturned by the Supreme Court as they were deemed to be unconstitutional and a breach of human rights and interfered with the separation of power between Government and the judicial system.

What the Qld Government has done is class all 1%er clubs as criminal organisations and banned all the members from associating with each other of going to any premises or place in a group of more than two at a time. If there are three together they go to prison for 15 years.
Whole argument is "target the criminal elements within the clubs and leave the rest alone" it's pretty simple.

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And if it is seen to work in QLD it will likely be adopted nationally (I know of a couple of prominent barristers in Perth watching the action unfold intently). So best we all pay attention and do whatever we can - from the basic letter to the editor stuff right through to major protest/demonstration - it all helps.

 

[Rick McC.]

Sorry for any confusion Joey , I've mainly been commenting for my fellow countrymen to be honest.
#1 Newman is Campbell Newman the newly elected Liberal/National premier of Queensland.
#2 Tasmania is indeed part of Australia , a beautiful small island down south as far as you can go.
#3 No these new laws are only in Queensland. Similar laws have been tried in New South Wales, Western Aust and South Aust ..all were overturned by the Supreme Court as they were deemed to be unconstitutional and a breach of human rights and interfered with the separation of power between Government and the judicial system.

What the Qld Government has done is class all 1%er clubs as criminal organisations and banned all the members from associating with each other of going to any premises or place in a group of more than two at a time. If there are three together they go to prison for 15 years.
Whole argument is "target the criminal elements within the clubs and leave the rest alone" it's pretty simple.

That sounds like something out of a Sci-Fi novel to me!

I don't see how it can be passed in your neck of the woods when it's been found unconstitutional in other parts of the country.

I sure hope y'all can get things set right for yourselves!

Rick

 

[Marky Mark]

..all were overturned by the Supreme Court as they were deemed to be unconstitutional and a breach of human rights and interfered with the separation of power between Government and the judicial system.

What the Qld Government has done is class all 1%er clubs as criminal organisations and banned all the members from associating with each other of going to any premises or place in a group of more than two at a time. If there are three together they go to prison for 15 years.
Whole argument is "target the criminal elements within the clubs and leave the rest alone" it's pretty simple.

As an aspiring Criminology Professor, this is a really interesting conversation, although I'm woefully ignorant of the Australian legal system. Is "freedom of association" a constitutional right in Australia? In the U.S., a probationer or parolee can be proscribed from associating with "other known criminals" for a period of time, but that generally applies to those actually convicted of something, not just members of the same club. Wow. In the U.S., there's a long history of exagerating the 'threat to society' posed by outlaw bikers (and by construct, bikers in general), but that Queensland statute is beyond ridiculous. I'm guessing the police over there don't need to observe a violation or have articulable cause to pull you over?

Cheers.