OK you guys with all the wisdom

[Watcher]

Ok I have a young gal that just started riding last year ( she was on the back of the bike when it was totaled by someone else) said she would never ride again well that lasted about 3 months and she had her own bike 800 or 850 its a c50 suzuki and she did about 4500 miles on it last year in no time now she wants me to take he to the dealer to get a R3T I have tried to tell her she should wait some more time that its a lot more bike but she said she's big and can do it (she's as big as anyone one here if not bigger makes me look small) how do I get her to understand she's not ready the last thing I want is of her to get hurt but I don't want to hold her back either help a guy out please oh and I'm old enough to be here dad she just turned 21 and looks to me for help don't ask why but to me this would be her first mistake

 

[forklift]

You would think she would be discouraged by the insurance quote for a 21 year old on that size bike. I give her credit though she rode 4500 I assume safe miles in just a year.

 

[tdragger]

What is your opinion of how she handles the C50 now? Are her moves and adjustments second nature? Is she still struggling with a neutral balance?

As an ex MSF instructor, I've seen all types of new riders. Some just don't have the knack for riding and shouldn't move up ever. Others are naturals and may be in a position to move up in size quickly. It's not just a matter of months and miles. I waited 3 years for my wife to say that she had outgrown her starter bike before moving her up.

The criteria that I would use is, is she a competent rider? She sounds like a good sized person so if she can physically handle it, you should take that into consideration.

I hope that helps.

 

[TURBO200R4]

find a good road put her on the back and open it up that will give her respect for the rocket.
my son wanted the harley sportster that i had extra but i didn't want the responsibility for what would happen, latter something happen to him and i wish i would have handed him the keys.
so it works both ways and if she gets the rocket i would say training,training, and advance training

 

[CanberraR3]

Pure and simple, it's a stupid idea. Any clown can ride a Rocket and even novices can and have done it safely. A certain amount of strength and confidence is required to manoeuvre it slowly but once up and running it's not harder than any other bike. I'm sure she'd be able to ride one, BUT there's no substitute for experience and knowing how to deal with the unexpected on one of the most unforgiving bikes around.

Get her to try this. On a smaller bike - C50 would be perfect, about 300lbs lighter than the R3T - get her ride slowly with the bars turned just a little and then grab the front brake hard. The sort of thing that can happen in a car park when someone suddenly backs out. Unless she's dim, that should send a message.

 

[R3T-Too]

Pure and simple, it's a stupid idea. Any clown can ride a Rocket and even novices can and have done it safely. A certain amount of strength and confidence is required to manoeuvre it slowly but once up and running it's not harder than any other bike. I'm sure she'd be able to ride one, BUT there's no substitute for experience and knowing how to deal with the unexpected on one of the most unforgiving bikes around.

Get her to try this. On a smaller bike - C50 would be perfect, about 300lbs lighter than the R3T - get her ride slowly with the bars turned just a little and then grab the front brake hard. The sort of thing that can happen in a car park when someone suddenly backs out. Unless she's dim, that should send a message.

If she does THAT; it's proof enough that she's dim. Even a light bike will get real heavy real fast doing that.
I agree with most of what you're saying though.

The Rocket is far from a beginner bike.
I've been riding about 3 years and have about 50,000 miles on two wheels.
My first bike was a Vulcan 900, which is very much like the C50.
Second bike is the Vulcan Voyager 1700. With a good bit more power, weight and height.

The Rocket III is my third bike and I'm glad I learned a lot of lessons on the other two.
I've only put about 2k miles on my R3T but have had to ride out the rear trying to outrun the front on more than a couple occasions.
A slick spot starting from a stop is one thing; but a fishtail when shifting into second or starting to lose the rear when you roll on too hard as you straighten up out of a curve are serious pucker moments.

I'm sure it can be done; but it would take a long learning curve of conservative riding.
Or maybe a steep curve with a couple of drops.

Scott

 

[Idaho Red Rocket 3]

The weight is the question at slow speeds. Can we get some of the Lady Rocket Riders to chime on this ?

 

[Timmytreehe]

Ok I have a young gal that just started riding last year ( she was on the back of the bike when it was totaled by someone else) said she would never ride again well that lasted about 3 months and she had her own bike 800 or 850 its a c50 suzuki and she did about 4500 miles on it last year in no time now she wants me to take he to the dealer to get a R3T I have tried to tell her she should wait some more time that its a lot more bike but she said she's big and can do it (she's as big as anyone one here if not bigger makes me look small) how do I get her to understand she's not ready the last thing I want is of her to get hurt but I don't want to hold her back either help a guy out please oh and I'm old enough to be here dad she just turned 21 and looks to me for help don't ask why but to me this would be her first mistake

Suggest to her to take one for a demo ride, first.

 

[Watcher]

You would think she would be discouraged by the insurance quote for a 21 year old on that size bike. I give her credit though she rode 4500 I assume safe miles in just a year.

In like 3 months road that and its her first bike

 

[Watcher]

What is your opinion of how she handles the C50 now? Are her moves and adjustments second nature? Is she still struggling with a neutral balance?

As an ex MSF instructor, I've seen all types of new riders. Some just don't have the knack for riding and shouldn't move up ever. Others are naturals and may be in a position to move up in size quickly. It's not just a matter of months and miles. I waited 3 years for my wife to say that she had outgrown her starter bike before moving her up.

The criteria that I would use is, is she a competent rider? She sounds like a good sized person so if she can physically handle it, you should take that into consideration.

I hope that helps.

She does real good is still a little afraid to lean in a turn but has done very well I have had her on mine there was not much room the 2 of us was over 600lbs and hit it hard and for the touring I'm making just about the same numbers or more the the R3RS do she laughed and said I need something like this for sure now just don't know how good she will do at low speed is all and will feel real bad if she was to get hurt or worst on it she throws the C50 around like a 50cc moped