Thanks. That tells me what I need to know. Clean air with no windshield is relatively quiet an pain free with a good helmet. I have found that with many windshields you are better off without them than with them, because after you put them on the clean air is replaced by turbulent air that beats your head back and forth and hurts your ears. The feedback is much appreciated. I think that since I just found out the guy in the UK has another order of the XL fly screens coming in, I might just wait for one of those to try. Quite a bit cheaper than the Madstad route.