If you're referring to my earlier comment I never meant to convey that a Carpenter bike doesn't also make more power than stock down low but show me a dyno sheet that looks like this for a Carpenter bike... 225ft/lbs torque at 3.4k rpm. And unlike this chart shows, a Carpenter 210 won't have that 210 HP at 6.5k rpm either; it will be more like 8k rpm. Compared to a turbo R3 The bulk of the extra power on a Carpenter R3 occurs at higher than stock revs. Simple fact.