Air Shocks


Progressive 444
Auto damping based upon demand and hand adjustable for height.
 
Fournales may well be the best option then. Certainly sounds like Speedy has suspension knowledge way beyond that of a normal man. End of the day you get what you pay for I guess. Would look on the Fournales UK site and compare prices before plunging in. Me i'll be sticking with the R3R shocks for the time being. Again thanks for sharing your knowledge Speedy.
 
Bugger me with a fish fork - an informed reply - This will be the end of forums, I tell you.

DAMPING IS THE KEY.

Air suspension is a bugger to get right. And on things with big heavy bevel boxes like R3's and old Guzzis is a serious venture in time. It put my time in on Guzzis.
In AIRBAG systems you not only have to play with pressure but also volume - reducing the air volume accelerates the increase in spring rate - NON-VOLATILE OIL in the airbag does this.

ime - Most "air shocks" will run best if the STATIC sag is run a bit short - the DYNAMIC sag then seems to sit right.
I run my Fournales just above the factory pressure setting after a wee chat with the Technical guy at Fournales. They quote 17.5Bar - I run at a smidgin over 18 bar (with no load)
Run airbags soft and they'll in fact feel hard as you'll be closer to the bump travel zone. Air never fully compresses - but ....................................................

I'm not a BIG fan of over length shocks on bikes with VERY basic drive joints.
The R3 has ONE very simple Hookes joint and these run best the straighter they are. More travel will tend to push these further toward extremes of angular displacement - this means the drive splines have to be 105% correctly lubricated - and it's a weakish point on R3's.

And then! - there are the forks ............ I would seriously LOVE to do an air spring conversion to the forks - but I can't do everything.
 
WRITE TO FOURNALES DIRECT. They maybe French but they will respond in English and a timely manner. http://fournales.fr/contact/
I bought mine direct - they were cheaper than the UK - came with a free high pressure pump and free delivery.
They may even have refurbished models - I was offered a set.
 
I'm not a BIG fan of over length shocks on bikes with VERY basic drive joints.
The R3 has ONE very simple Hookes joint and these run best the straighter they are. More travel will tend to push these further toward extremes of angular displacement - this means the drive splines have to be 105% correctly lubricated - and it's a weakish point on R3's.

And then! - there are the forks ............ I would seriously LOVE to do an air spring conversion to the forks - but I can't do everything.[/QUOTE]

So little time is spent running at longer than normal extension and then mostly when braking so the concern over extreme joint angles is not justififed at 13.5". But, don't run higher than stock all the time as a way to gain ground clearance because you will then have a problem.

The Fournales are a variant of a high pressure gas shock. They have user adjustable pressure instead of fixed pressure. At 18 bar you can't pump up at the filling station, nor can you use an on board pump. A cylinder of nitrogen is required. A simple calculation of shock rod diameter and pressure will tell you how much force is exerted.

Forks use both steel compression springs and air pressure to create a progressive spring rate. It is why the recommended oil levels are so important. Too much oil makes the rate progression very high and can blow out seals. Too little and the rate becomes closer to linear.
 

Franchise set-up I think you'll find. You must be in the French catchment area mate .. they won't send to Australia I'd bet. Refer you to the Aussie agent .. Bertrand the Frog from Bicheno in Tasmania... who charges the exorbitant price
 
You don't NEED an N2 cylinder . Fournales supplied a 30 bar high pressure pump. http://fournales.fr/data/File/moto/Pompes_HP.pdf works fine.

I have a 232bar hand pump too - Tiny volumes. Originally designed to pressurise the hydraulics on Wellington Bombers. With dehumidifier. - Not that it really matters at 200bar.
 
Kayaba now do 100% air forks.


But what R3 forks needs are decent innards. GSXR cartridges can be made to fit I'm told. And teh spring rate needs serious upgrade. 44mmstatic sag is a bit of a joke.

The numbers suggest that linking the forks an adding a 100cc chamber would avoid seals bursting.
 
Franchise set-up I think you'll find. You must be in the French catchment area mate .. they won't send to Australia I'd bet. Refer you to the Aussie agent .. Bertrand the Frog from Bicheno in Tasmania... who charges the exorbitant price
Oh all franchises can be broken. The "Refurbs" are factory only.

ANYBODY in the EU can buy LEGALLY from any dealer anywhere in the EU. If they say NO you can close them down (I have experience in other sectors - ahem).

Do Kiwis have to use the Tassie-Frog?