I think that Turnboy is getting all these tires will give him and I I know why he won't put on a car tire. I was going around a sharp left with my 245 GY on stock shocks with the left peg scraping and actually starting to pinch my foot. This was the only time that I ever felt my car tire skip a little. During this stupid human trick....Turnboy passed me on the inside. I think if he finds a tire that will live up to his abuse, we should all buy them.