What tyres are you running?

cktire said:

Peace...

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I'm not in it to win it. Just giving my opinion. Everyone can form their won based on their experiences.
I've been riding for 50 years and in the tire business for 40 years. My "opinion" is that a MC tire will out perform a CT when considering the entire range of use.
It's always a compromise with tires. Any givien tire will out perform another in different circumstances.
Yes...peace. i enjoy the conversation! I never mean to offend.
Carl[/QUOTE]RIGHT ON CARL

Thanks for the clarification, Carl.

My 45 years of motorcycling experience on dozens of different bikes has allowed me to make a balanced and informed decision to run a CT on my last three large cruisers. My experiece has affirmed, to me, time and again, that for me the overall performance characteristics are better better on the MT. Which tire will feel more responsive ("handle the best" would be a much too subjective a way of putting this) under optimum road conditions?... the MT. Which tire gives me superior traction, braking performance, adherance and security 9especially on the R3)?... the MT.

Different strokes for different folks! "Best", in this case, is whatever you prefer or like better between the two choices.

Phil where are the last 3 big cruiser you had and how many miles did you put on them? Are these the bikes you had accidents with and were you running car tires on them. I am just asking because I have over 43,000 miles on my 06 Rocket I bought in August of 06.

I heard you just change to the car tire and was wondering why you did not dyno the bike before the car tire and after? It would seem to me you had the perfect oportunity to test whether you loose Horse Power or not.

If the stock Rocket with motor cycle tires on it like I seen in Daytona at the dyno shoot out only pulled 116 hp. Why would anyone spend so much money on a Rocket and give up so much as 20 horse power when they could have bought a 95 horse power bike at a cheaper price that gets more miles out of a motorcycle tire?

Myself I trust the engineers that for years have never built a bike (with 2 wheels) with car tires on it. This is wierd concidering that companies like Avon, brigdestone, dunlop, and may more build tires for cars and motorcycles.

My last two cruisers were both VTX 1800s. Had about 15,000 of an estimated 40,000 miles on those hosses on MTs.

The only accidents I have ever had on two wheels coincidentally occurred within exactly 3 yrs and one week of one another (last one [I hope] back in Sept), were isolated incidents which had absolutely nothing to do with the kind of tire being run on the rear. First time was a deer that came out of nowhere while I was doing 65 mph. no time to react in any way - it happened that quickly. Second smackdown was due to a careless driver making an illegal lane change right in to me. Both accidents were 100% unavoidable and the results would have been identical in either instance had I run MTs. Actually I locked up the rear in the second instance and maintained full control of the bike, something I doubt I would have been able to do on a MT.

The 20+ hp loss is pure hearsay, as far as I'm concerned. The R3 I currently have is my third darksided ride. Neither it nor my two VTXes gave any indication, by butt dyno or otherwise, that there was any appreciable or noticeable loss in horsepower. I have ridden all three bikes against a number of my friends bikes both before and aftyer going to the CT and there was not only no noticeable difference in go power, I still kicked there butts as i had when I ran MTs! fact is I have never (and I have dealt with alot of CT people) heard of any claims of significant HP loss by going to the Darkside, until Art made the claim.

Gotta' go eat something... I'll be back in an hour or so.

well first them deer don't do any vehicle any good !!!!! you certainly side stepped the dyno issue.
I was wondering why when you switched you did not put them claims to rest? I heck you had a MT tire on and could have easily took a pull on the dyno and then another pull on the car tire. You could have posted them results to put knowledge out there onpaper. Everyone is always doubting IMFASTTOO you had the chance to set everyone even me straight. I guess all them moto gp and other professional bike riders don't know the secrets that the darkside riders do.

I am not convinced but I can be and am willing to admit I and the engineers that make tires are wrong if there was some one who tried a dyno pull with both.Hell if your bike is stock lets see how close it is to the stock one that was at daytona he posted his sheet. I can't as I am far from stock. but maybe on the next tire change I can as I still have a car tire in the garage it can wait till then before I throw it on the burn pile.

warp9.9 said:

Phil where are the last 3 big cruiser you had and how many miles did you put on them? Are these the bikes you had accidents with and were you running car tires on them. I am just asking because I have over 43,000 miles on my 06 Rocket I bought in August of 06.

I heard you just change to the car tire and was wondering why you did not dyno the bike before the car tire and after? It would seem to me you had the perfect oportunity to test whether you loose Horse Power or not.

If the stock Rocket with motor cycle tires on it like I seen in Daytona at the dyno shoot out only pulled 116 hp. Why would anyone spend so much money on a Rocket and give up so much as 20 horse power when they could have bought a 95 horse power bike at a cheaper price that gets more miles out of a motorcycle tire?

Myself I trust the engineers that for years have never built a bike (with 2 wheels) with car tires on it. This is wierd concidering that companies like Avon, brigdestone, dunlop, and may more build tires for cars and motorcycles.

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YES SCOTT its obvious the darksiders avoid the DYNOS and no you wont see any square CAR tires going on any motorcyle from a manufacturer of tires or motorcycles

Hp loss

TriumPhil said:

My last two cruisers were both VTX 1800s. Had about 15,000 of an estimated 40,000 miles on those hosses on MTs.

The only accidents I have ever had on two wheels coincidentally occurred within exactly 3 yrs and one week of one another (last one [I hope] back in Sept), were isolated incidents which had absolutely nothing to do with the kind of tire being run on the rear. First time was a deer that came out of nowhere while I was doing 65 mph. no time to react in any way - it happened that quickly. Second smackdown was due to a careless driver making an illegal lane change right in to me. Both accidents were 100% unavoidable and the results would have been identical in either instance had I run MTs. Actually I locked up the rear in the second instance and maintained full control of the bike, something I doubt I would have been able to do on a MT.

The 20+ hp loss is pure hearsay, as far as I'm concerned. The R3 I currently have is my third darksided ride. Neither it nor my two VTXes gave any indication, by butt dyno or otherwise, that there was any appreciable or noticeable loss in horsepower. I have ridden all three bikes against a number of my friends bikes both before and aftyer going to the CT and there was not only no noticeable difference in go power, I still kicked there butts as i had when I ran MTs! fact is I have never (and I have dealt with alot of CT people) heard of any claims of significant HP loss by going to the Darkside, until Art made the claim.

Gotta' go eat something... I'll be back in an hour or so.

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YES I suggested to PHIL to DYNO before and after he had the perfect opportunity BUT ???? I already know the result and it aint good

warp9.9 said:

well first them deer don't do any vehicle any good !!!!! you certainly side stepped the dyno issue.
I was wondering why when you switched you did not put them claims to rest? I heck you had a MT tire on and could have easily took a pull on the dyno and then another pull on the car tire. You could have posted them results to put knowledge out there onpaper. Everyone is always doubting IMFASTTOO you had the chance to set everyone even me straight. I guess all them moto gp and other professional bike riders don't know the secrets that the darkside riders do.

I am not convinced but I can be and am willing to admit I and the engineers that make tires are wrong if there was some one who tried a dyno pull with both.Hell if your bike is stock lets see how close it is to the stock one that was at daytona he posted his sheet. I can't as I am far from stock. but maybe on the next tire change I can as I still have a car tire in the garage it can wait till then before I throw it on the burn pile.

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I'm not interested in joining the pissing contest. I'm happy with my darkside due to the increased comfort level and lower cost, I also like the way it handles.
As far as horsepower loss goes , the heavier the tire the more power it takes to turn it.
The contact patch and air pressure play a part as well.

Looks like we're about a 140 miles apart. if you have the facilities and the dyno time I'll ride up you can dyno your bike then we can swap rear wheels then dyno yours again.

I'm not too interested in putting mine on a dyno I rarely see triple digits on the speedo I ride with Harleys so I've got no problem keeping up now...............

I am not convinced but I can be and am willing to admit I and the engineers that make tires are wrong if there was some one who tried a dyno pull with both.Hell if your bike is stock lets see how close it is to the stock one that was at daytona he posted his sheet. I can't as I am far from stock. but maybe on the next tire change I can as I still have a car tire in the garage it can wait till then before I throw it on the burn pile.[/QUOTE]

I just didn't have the time to get to Art to do a "before" dyno pull,as I wanted the MT off my bike ASAP and the switch was done during the first few days that I got on the road this season.. As for sidestepping... I don't think so, guys, nor do I think that results on a dyno vs results on the road are nearly the same thing. I've ridden all of my darklsided bikes, both before and after switching tire types, running against and with the same bikes of my friends [V-Rods, Beemers, Runes, Harleys and Victories (with stage 1 cam kits)] and I'm telling you that there was no appreciable difference in performance detected. Believe what you will...

Art, you are still welcome to dyno my ride whenever I can get it down to 'ya and you have the time/inclination.. I know what the limited performance mods on my setup add over and above a stock bike and I have nothing at all to hide, prove or to be regretful of. I like how my bike handles and have easily accepted the tradeoffs involved. I ride on the road, not on a closed circuit or drag strip. I am neither interested in "riding on the edge of the envelope" nor pulling every last ounce of oomph possible out of this engine as some others, understandably, are. Toi each their own... this is so much like the helmet issue conversations, i.e., which is the "best", half, 3/4, full or none. The answer is; whichever you choose is right for you.

so like i said if your bike is stock see what it pulls with a car tire on it. we already seen apull on a stock classic in 4th gear on the wyotech dyno is was almost 116hp its posted on the .com site hell even if you have the cat box off it would still be pretty close to stock. You yourself know that the way people dog Carpenter Racing they won't believe their machine thats why they sent one down to Wyotech so it was independent of their claims. just do it in 4th gear or have the tech do it. No need to wonder if one operator is better then the other as at wyotech they let the dyno guy do it one day and Ross the next they were within less then a 1 horse. Its ok PHil you just go ahead and enjoy riding and be safe. Watch out for the deer as they do not care what tire you have they still just run out in front of you. Mine dos not mean much either as mine has a bucket load of HP and torque so it really is no comparison. As for the guys that you run around on the street may not have the same skill as you whether good or bad. 'Lester if we get the time after I heal I do want to meet up with you as their is only 1 R3 around here and its a tourer. I run to belvelle sometimes then next time I get to ride which should be 6 weeks after surgery according to the doctor I will be itchen to make a trip. I give you some notice so we can compare schedules and find a day. who knows maybe we could find a dyno all though it would be less efort if they just pull yours I will pay for it. Hell it will probably be less then 50.00 and they can check your exhaust gas mix for you just to be sure she's running a good mix. I don't think they will charge just to sniff it and give you the results. Either way we should get together.
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