transmission noise!!

Man what crappy news. Just be glad it didn't happen on your RAA trip. Don't sell yourself short on being able to do the repair yourself. If you have common sense and take your time you can get through the repair....you have the benefit of the collective wisdom on this site and the service manual to steer you in the right direction. I wish I was still living in Calgary.....I would come over and give you a hand.
 
thanks bull have you bee to jasper in the summer very nice there is now one of those glass promontoir over the glacier something like the glass horse shoe on the grand canyon

I have to stay around calgary for a while unfortunately must sell the house( to pay for repair on the bike) and organize the shipping of the bike somewhere in town can you believe the dealership saying sorry nothing available before december!!!

Good to see you have your priorities straight! "must sell the house( to pay for repair on the bike)"
Was at Jasper in 1985. Likely due to go again.
 
Interesting...going to have to see if this is what happened to mine. I never noticed any strange noise leading up to my disaster. However, four weeks later when I was healed enough to ride, I noticed that the longer she ran the noiser she got til I had a problem shifting into fifth. Only a few miles after that she locked up while downshifting. I am pretty sure I never even released the clutch.
 
What engine oil do you use

I use quality oil , ....I think .... seriously though I have used castrol sinthetic 5w40. recently the shop changed it to motul sinthetic 10w 40 I do not believe my problems were cause by poor oil quality if that was the case there would be a lot more bikes , cars ,boats ,in shops no I think it is squarely on the triumph shoulder either poor quality parts or design , the warranty fights for repairs and the tranny kit are a way for corporate office to address a bad decision which we pay for.
at 32 000 miles and conservative riding I should not have to worry about a bearing breaking up in the tranny
 
Actually its not in the transmission unfortunately you cannot see the transmission by pulling the sump pan only when you split the motor. Now the front bearing of the output drive does get fed by the same oil as one of the transmission bearings. they are both sealed on one side only and get oil from a passageway in the engine block the rear output bearing original design gets oil by good will!!! What oil runs out the steel seal on the front bearing migrates back to the rear which is not the best way. On the updated transmissions the rear bearing is a sealed grease packed unit and the front bearing is still sealed but with a nylon type seal which keeps the oil more contained to the two bearings in the block. A much better design IMO. since yours took so long to fail I suspect it was not in backwards like some were (including mine) which failed real quick. this was because the assembly bloke drain warm ale for lunch instead of a proper chilled beverage like us in the USA :)

I doubt you will be able to tell on yours unless the seal is still in tact enough to see where it was located. If it was in backwards then your lucky it lasted as long as it did. This means one of two things 1.) God likes you 2.) you should buy a lottery ticket as you are one lucky SOB :)

depending on whether you have some mechanical aptitude and can read the manual you can do this work including the internal update on the transmission. It might take you longer then 16 hours but what the heck count it as taking your time to do this right. You can also update the transmission and output drive without loosing timing between the cams and the crank. There is a different style of cam chain guide that comes with the update kit but even though yours does not have the same type it will function for the life of the chain. This is my opinion as I have collected all the different types of guides Triumph has used to figure out what the engineers were doing plus figure out the best set up for when one uses real stiff valve springs like the type used in the Carpenter kit. Call it reverse engineering the engineers thought patterns. Of course if you want to change it out with the kit this can be done at any time whether the engine is in the bike or not. Perhaps some spunkier cams also. It can also be done at a later date while the engine is in the bike although it is easier to do it while its opened up. It really depends on whether you want to change the clutch cover gasket twice and remove the electronics on top of the engine twice.
Anyway I rambled on enough already.
Carry On :D
 
Actually its not in the transmission unfortunately you cannot see the transmission by pulling the sump pan only when you split the motor. Now the front bearing of the output drive does get fed by the same oil as one of the transmission bearings. they are both sealed on one side only and get oil from a passageway in the engine block the rear output bearing original design gets oil by good will!!! What oil runs out the steel seal on the front bearing migrates back to the rear which is not the best way. On the updated transmissions the rear bearing is a sealed grease packed unit and the front bearing is still sealed but with a nylon type seal which keeps the oil more contained to the two bearings in the block. A much better design IMO. since yours took so long to fail I suspect it was not in backwards like some were (including mine) which failed real quick. this was because the assembly bloke drain warm ale for lunch instead of a proper chilled beverage like us in the USA :)

I doubt you will be able to tell on yours unless the seal is still in tact enough to see where it was located. If it was in backwards then your lucky it lasted as long as it did. This means one of two things 1.) God likes you 2.) you should buy a lottery ticket as you are one lucky SOB :)

depending on whether you have some mechanical aptitude and can read the manual you can do this work including the internal update on the transmission. It might take you longer then 16 hours but what the heck count it as taking your time to do this right. You can also update the transmission and output drive without loosing timing between the cams and the crank. There is a different style of cam chain guide that comes with the update kit but even though yours does not have the same type it will function for the life of the chain. This is my opinion as I have collected all the different types of guides Triumph has used to figure out what the engineers were doing plus figure out the best set up for when one uses real stiff valve springs like the type used in the Carpenter kit. Call it reverse engineering the engineers thought patterns. Of course if you want to change it out with the kit this can be done at any time whether the engine is in the bike or not. Perhaps some spunkier cams also. It can also be done at a later date while the engine is in the bike although it is easier to do it while its opened up. It really depends on whether you want to change the clutch cover gasket twice and remove the electronics on top of the engine twice.
Anyway I rambled on enough already.
Carry On :D
warp you certainly know your engine.. I am unfortunately not as well versed in the intricacies of mechanical parts moving round and round and up and down so I trailered the bike to an independant shop one of the mechanic ride a r3 touring and they do lots of triumph repairs I even gave them my service manual for the duration of repairs as I am not up to do this kind of work . I will have to write a fat check in the end .
while they remove the rear wheel I plan on upgrading any thing possible and re lube the drive shaft at the bevel box . figuring on 3 weeks in the shop.
 
warp you certainly know your engine.. I am unfortunately not as well versed in the intricacies of mechanical parts moving round and round and up and down so I trailered the bike to an independant shop one of the mechanic ride a r3 touring and they do lots of triumph repairs I even gave them my service manual for the duration of repairs as I am not up to do this kind of work . I will have to write a fat check in the end .
while they remove the rear wheel I plan on upgrading any thing possible and re lube the drive shaft at the bevel box . figuring on 3 weeks in the shop.

Great I also would take the a copy of Rocket Scientist pictures so the can see it is possible to do it without completely pulling the frame off the engine. although it is close to the same thing it is quicker if they are just doing the output drive. They still will be pulling the swing frame and drive shaft so you can still check and lubricate it while its out.
And if they want to log onto or join the site since one has a touring many questions can be answered if they run into a snag in interpreting the manual.
They could very well end up learning so much they take business away from the dealers shop. Especially if they keep saying you have to wait until winter. That is a funny one since its a 16 hour job to pull the engine and do the complete update kit. Although IMO Triumph should give 24 hours.
 
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