crazyman said:
Currently I have just a 12 minute tune. Seems to run a bit stronger than before. I have noticed a little pinging when I roll on the throttle to overtake.
Might have been some crap gas. Might be the weather change. Might need a proper TORs tune.

If you're hearing the pinging you're running way too lean. I'd get that tune changed asap. The R3T runs very lean in stock configuration. Removing the cats will only exacerbate the situation. You're running the risk of doing some rather expensive damage.
 
Anybody modify the TORs to make them louder?

I have been running the TORs for a few months now. While they have a good sound, they are not as loud as I would like. Friends have commented that they cannot hear me pull up to them, so they want them louder too. Has anyone modified their TORs or is the solution to replace them?
 
For those not familiar with rich vs lean and engine load allow me to explain. No, wait there's too much. Allow me to sum up. Lean provides a more complete combustion and generates more heat as a result. The recipient of the extra heat is the exhaust valves that evacuate the spent gases. As you heat (then over heat) the exhaust valves they will expand, reducing the surface area of the valve seal by increasing the diameter of the valve seat. This leads to seat leakage and steam cutting of the valve seats. Results in a head rebuild over time.

To rich is incomplete combustion and unspent fuel going down the exhaust pipe (black soot). Because unspent fuel is expended the exhaust temperatures are lower than too lean a mix. Therefore the heat damage associated with too lean does not occur. New engine designs are incorporating direct injection to take advantage of the cooling provided by blowing fuel into the combustion chamber directly (vice throttle body injection). This provides a large delta T (differential temperature) inside the combustion chamber and uses the 1st law of thermodynamics to greatest effect, (heat always goes from a higher source to a lower source and never in the reverse) to cool the exhaust valves.

Exhaust pipes do two things, direct the spent gases away from the engine intake and provide an expansion volume for the spent gases. This second purpose is important to engine "breathing." The volume expansion allows the exhaust gases to achieve super-sonic velocity and thus create a low pressure point in the system. The exhaust pipes actually educt spent gases out of the combustion chamber when the intake valve overlap occurs (intake and exhaust valves open at the same time). This provides a more complete evacuation of spent gases from the combustion chamber and a better fresh charge of air for the next combustion cycle. Changing the diameter and length of the exhaust pipes changes the point at which the super-sonic flow occurs and changes the timing required for the overlap. (Side note: 2-stroke expansion chambers achieve the optimum eductor effect for a given bore and stroke using the mathematics involved). So changing from stock pipes to TORs (which are shorter) changes where the eduction occurs. If you put a restiction in the stock pipes, the engine would run rich with stock settings. Increasing the flow rate through the pipe (TOR) means more fresh air is available in the combustion chamber. With a stock tune the engine is already running on the leanest possible settings. Increasing exhaust flow leans it even more and you get the Orville Redenbacher exhaust note (pop-pop-pop) as expending gases hit super-sonic velocity early in the overlap.

To fix the problem, buy a Tuneboy and get to a dyno tuner.

Class dismissed.
 
Re: Anybody modify the TORs to make them louder?

Rrider said:
I have been running the TORs for a few months now. While they have a good sound, they are not as loud as I would like. Friends have commented that they cannot hear me pull up to them, so they want them louder too. Has anyone modified their TORs or is the solution to replace them?

Rrider,
If your friends can't hear you approaching with ToRs you must have left the kitty litter in. Have you removed the CAT? If not, removing it will improve note and volume. Your Triumph dealer will be able down load a suitable tune which will prevent most of the problems outlined by our friend Atom
 
R3t and Kitty Liter

Perdurabo, I thought the cat converter was removed with the TORs install on the R3T.
 
If its the same as the standard R3 the cat is only changed if you put the cat bypass on it.If it hasnt got this on it then the Tors have been fitted to the standard cat.Hence there wouldnt be much differance in the noise.Unfortunately Triumph dont tell you this at the time so you then have to go back and spend some more dough.Agh memories :lol:
 
The Cat on the R3T is inside the pipes (no funky can). When you change the stockers out with TORs there's no catalyst in the replacement pipes. The catalytic converter requires contact time to ensure emission standards are met. This requires the spent gas to be channeled through the converter's catalyst which adds restriction to the exhaust since the spent gases spend more time wandering through the pipes before dribbling out the end. The TORs only baffle the noise down and free up flow (reduced back-pressure). You'll also get the benefit of reduced weight (catalyst has mass too). If they aren't as noisy as you like, drill the baffles and you can be deafening.

I have an 05 with cat bypass and TORs and a co-worker said when I went by him the sound was like a high rev tractor, not a hot rod. Well let's see my Farmall H runs 5.5:1 compression, and the Rock is 8:1. The H has a straight through exhaust with a mesh screen, now so does my Rock. Co-incidence? I think not. 8)
 
While the CAT is in the mufflors on the R3T and removed witht eh TORS there is still a large collector box under bike. I'm sure removing it and replacing with free flowing pipe would improve sound (and performance).
 
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