Talked to Carpenter Racing

[9secondsflat]

Coating with a ceramic product has proven to increase flow by at lest 2%, more flow is more power....we saw a gain in the quarter of 1-2 mph and a tenth back in the early mid 90's when using Polydyn coatings. This was when we were running Pro5.0 shootouts...

 

[Steel]

Does carpenter provide a base tune with their pipe when you buy it?

No they do not. If you send in your ECU they will put one in for $200.

 

[speedfrk]

So from what Rcocket Scientist, Greggry, and Warp are saying is that all my low end torque issues(off idle to just above 3,000) are caused by the tune that is in my PCIII doesn't have the proper fueling for the bottom end. This is caused by the limitations of the PCIII and/or the dyno operator. The dyno being used is an eddy current type so I'm pretty sure it can provide the proper loading. The shop owner who I'm dealing with is also the dyno operator and has stated via e-mail he is willing to try whatever I want to do to try and make me satisfied. The plan now is to put the bike back on the dyno to check and make sure the current tune is ok, disconnect the PCIII, hook up TuneECU and drop in the map I have from Rocket Scientist(I also have one from Hanso that might be similar), compare the PCIII vs the Tune ECU map, and make any adjustments from there to tweak the bike in with either TuneECU, or my PCIII(may switch to a PCV + auto tune). I'll discuss the low RPM fueling with the operator. Sounds like I'm pretty much off the big header tube kick. Last, but not least Rocket Scientist what is the resistor mod to eliminate the torque limit in the lower gears and how do you do it? Thank you one and all for your input. I'm thinking I'll get where I want to be eventually.

 

[STRIPES]

So from what Rcocket Scientist, Greggry, and Warp are saying is that all my low end torque issues(off idle to just above 3,000) are caused by the tune that is in my PCIII doesn't have the proper fueling for the bottom end. This is caused by the limitations of the PCIII and/or the dyno operator. The dyno being used is an eddy current type so I'm pretty sure it can provide the proper loading. The shop owner who I'm dealing with is also the dyno operator and has stated via e-mail he is willing to try whatever I want to do to try and make me satisfied. The plan now is to put the bike back on the dyno to check and make sure the current tune is ok, disconnect the PCIII, hook up TuneECU and drop in the map I have from Rocket Scientist(I also have one from Hanso that might be similar), compare the PCIII vs the Tune ECU map, and make any adjustments from there to tweak the bike in with either TuneECU, or my PCIII(may switch to a PCV + auto tune). I'll discuss the low RPM fueling with the operator. Sounds like I'm pretty much off the big header tube kick. Last, but not least Rocket Scientist what is the resistor mod to eliminate the torque limit in the lower gears and how do you do it? Thank you one and all for your input. I'm thinking I'll get where I want to be eventually.

The resistor mod was the first solution to keep the ecu from retarding the spark in lower gears. GIPro does that now for relatively cheap ($150) plus you get a gear indicator AND it also keeps you from having to remove the secondary injector baffle plates The ecu thinks it is in 4th gear no matter what gear you are in leaving the injector open.

 

[warp9.9]

Most likely the tune restrictions will be gone when you load the tune ecu map in as most have been eliminated. Check with Rocket Scientist about his map and Hanso on his my bet is both have been modified. any other timing adjustments can be made by the dyno operator. My bet is both tune have the secondary's set to 100% open all the way thru but you can check that by opening the maps and make adjustments if necassary.

 

[kblahetka]

The resistor mod was the first solution to keep the ecu from retarding the spark in lower gears. GIPro does that now for relatively cheap ($150) plus you get a gear indicator AND it also keeps you from having to remove the secondary injector baffle plates The ecu thinks it is in 4th gear no matter what gear you are in leaving the injector open.

You can also use a canned tune with tune ECU to accomplish what the GI pro does. If you don't want to do this I have a GI pro in my garage I would be willing to let go for a donation to my son's triathlon fundraising when we start up.

 

[speedfrk]

Secondaries have already been removed. Making fueling adjustments as necassary in the lower RPM ranges via TuneECU after a canned tune is dropped in makes sense. Hopefully I'll be getting this all worked out soon as the weather is beginning to break here. This winter is the first year since I started riding in 2006 that I wasn't able to ride a motorcycle for two months straight and I drove my classic car for the first time in three months last Saturday. Strange weather.

 

[Rocket Scientist]

So from what Rcocket Scientist, Greggry, and Warp are saying is that all my low end torque issues(off idle to just above 3,000) are caused by the tune that is in my PCIII doesn't have the proper fueling for the bottom end. This is caused by the limitations of the PCIII and/or the dyno operator. The dyno being used is an eddy current type so I'm pretty sure it can provide the proper loading. The shop owner who I'm dealing with is also the dyno operator and has stated via e-mail he is willing to try whatever I want to do to try and make me satisfied. The plan now is to put the bike back on the dyno to check and make sure the current tune is ok, disconnect the PCIII, hook up TuneECU and drop in the map I have from Rocket Scientist(I also have one from Hanso that might be similar), compare the PCIII vs the Tune ECU map, and make any adjustments from there to tweak the bike in with either TuneECU, or my PCIII(may switch to a PCV + auto tune). I'll discuss the low RPM fueling with the operator. Sounds like I'm pretty much off the big header tube kick. Last, but not least Rocket Scientist what is the resistor mod to eliminate the torque limit in the lower gears and how do you do it? Thank you one and all for your input. I'm thinking I'll get where I want to be eventually.

The tune I sent you has all the power restrictions removed already. I would have suggested removing your secondary plates but it sounds like you already have. I would dump the tune in and try it as is. I never did get around to having mine tuned on a dyno. I guess it runs good enough for me.

 

[speedfrk]

Rocket Scientist, the tune you sent me is what will be the baseline for comparrison to the PCIII tune currently installed. I'm going ask the operator to closely whatch the difference in the low RPM range. I'm thinking I'll not be running a PCIII after all is said and done.

 

[Rocket Scientist]

Rocket Scientist, the tune you sent me is what will be the baseline for comparrison to the PCIII tune currently installed. I'm going ask the operator to closely whatch the difference in the low RPM range. I'm thinking I'll not be running a PCIII after all is said and done.

Let us know what you find out.