Power Comander??

[TriumPhil]

To my knowledge the Dobeck products can only add fuel. It will not lean out the mixture from stock settings, if I recall correctly.

 

[HansO]

ok let me get this right I need to order the 09 pcv for my 2013 because it all hooks up the same ??? I am ordering it and auto tune Monday so I want to make sure got the tripel k&n yesterday and jardines will be here next Thur. man I can't wait to get them on

Just order for your 2013 the reference to ordering for 09 was only intended ed for the earlier models

Yes.. assuming the 2013 multi plugs havn't changed, I was told today by a dealership owner freind that Triumph hate' the PC' and the TB' systems and they are taking steps to protect the OE ECUs from Map modifications on the new range of models...

So consider your Warranty before you go overboard with mods

The PCV does not actually modifie the the ECU it intercepts the signal from the ECU and then sends the modified signal to the injectors. It is only TuneBoy and TuneECU that alter the ECU

 

[1olbull]

Awesome discussion! Considering the different points of view, you guys play together better than what I be used to. ;-}

Hanso, FYI - there were NO typos in my previous message. fnewgi is short for f'n new guy. The rest came out fine, best as I can read. Thanks for the detailed explanation. I'm an old carb guy and this mapping stuff is still a little foreign to me. I had my V2K dyno'd with a PCIII and never messed with it. I went with the PCIII because I was told by the dyne guy that it could be set leaner for 5th gear at my general ride speed of 80mph or so. It seemed to work as I got a 10 mpg open road increase. Not too interested in fiddling with stuff anymore - "I just wanna ride, baby."

xhdskip, This Dobeck sounds like our V2K debates about PCIII versus TFI. One simple and generally good - one more complex and more specific.

Thanks for all the input - An impressive body of knowledge on this forum - glad I came here.
Best Regards,
1olbull

 

[xhdskip]

the Dobeck comes preset with factory A/F built in.
You can add fuel to it, or lean it back to "stock" ,
or even take the fuel mixture "down" past stock
to lean it completely out if ya wanted to.
So, contrary to popular belief yes Virginia, you can make it leaner.
Now NOT with the generation 3.0 (the one with screws).
But with the generation 3.5, you can subtract fuel from the mixture.
As far as the superiority of the PCV over the PC3 or Dobeck,
I'm sorry to inform all the guys who bought one
that it doesn't really do what they advertise it to.
At least not in "run" mode or in real time.
it only "learns" what your air gases say in the learn mode,
then you're suppose to change it over to ride mode, correct?
At which point it quits sampling the A/F gases and uses the stored info
and applies it to all your riding conditions, idle, cruise, and WOT.
So it's not really an auto tune at all.
basically a glorified PC3 with a learn mode.
Same as the Dobeck for a lot more money,
but hey, it's only money right??????

 

[Watcher]

I thought money grows on trees lol at least that what the wife thinks as for warr the dealer siad it would not void it it not up to date with the others I've ran power commander on everthing I've own so far with good luck that is why I'm going with it and that I have a dino any time I would need it and I a gree this has been a good disscoustion or how ever you spell it lol

 

[HansO]

the Dobeck comes preset with factory A/F built in.
You can add fuel to it, or lean it back to "stock" ,
or even take the fuel mixture "down" past stock
to lean it completely out if ya wanted to.
So, contrary to popular belief yes Virginia, you can make it leaner.
Now NOT with the generation 3.0 (the one with screws).
But with the generation 3.5, you can subtract fuel from the mixture.
As far as the superiority of the PCV over the PC3 or Dobeck,
I'm sorry to inform all the guys who bought one
that it doesn't really do what they advertise it to.
At least not in "run" mode or in real time.
it only "learns" what your air gases say in the learn mode,
then you're suppose to change it over to ride mode, correct?
At which point it quits sampling the A/F gases and uses the stored info
and applies it to all your riding conditions, idle, cruise, and WOT.
So it's not really an auto tune at all.
basically a glorified PC3 with a learn mode.
Same as the Dobeck for a lot more money,
but hey, it's only money right??????

Hey Skip I am not saying you are wrong but it doesnt sound right because if it worked like that I would still be blowing fuel out the back but I don't the bike is smoother run cleaner and heaps more responsive once you acept the inital trims I have on purpose made changes to see how it affected the bike and they were very quick I have since gone back to my AFR Table map that created and have sent to dozens of guys on this and the other site with all being happy as pigs in mud.
I don't know where you got that info but this of the DynoJet website and my Auto tune does not stop sampling I forget how often but it is a rediculous amont of times per minute / second it is constantly adjusting the fueling and keep the bike purring whether I am at sea level or up in the snowwies thousands of feet higher to get your dobeck to do that you would have stop and readjust once you got up high or you would lose power due to higher altutude makeing the air thiner thereby starving the engine of O2 to help burn the fuel. from thier website:
We have taken virtually the same technology that our patented Tuning Link dynamometer software (for automated Dyno tuning) uses, along with Bosch Wide Band O2 sensors and miniaturized it to be used on your bike, ATV, or UTV, while you ride.
Once installed, the Auto Tune kit monitors the fuel mixture (by installing the included Wide Band O2 sensor in the exhaust). It then sends this information to the Power Commander V and automatically corrects it while you ride. Each map that we offer has preset Air/Fuel ratio values included that we find to be the best overall settings. This lets you simply plug in the unit and let it do the work. For Harley Davidson models we ever monitor and adjust each cylinder individually for increased precision as on these models required fueling can vary significantly between the front and rear cylinder.
For advanced users that would like to change the Air/Fuel ratios from our baseline they are fully adjustable. Each throttle opening/rpm combination is individually adjustable, so that you can have both fuel economy, during cruise, while maintaining peak output at larger throttle openings. For most models of bikes it is also possible to adjust the Air/Fuel ratios "per gear". This gives you total control of the fueling in every gear and throttle/rpm area if required.

 

[Dennsell]

Just order for your 2013 the reference to ordering for 09 was only intended ed for the earlier models


The PCV does not actually modifie the the ECU it intercepts the signal from the ECU and then sends the modified signal to the injectors. It is only TuneBoy and TuneECU that alter the ECU

Exactly why Triumph don't like it because it modifies the OE settings, Fuel or otherwise and this was the point that Ross was making about the PC unit..

My point was that they are looking for a reason to reject Warranty claim..
A good reason to wait until tha Bike is Outa Warranty don't you think Hans ???

 

[HansO]

Exactly why Triumph don't like it because it modifies the OE settings, Fuel or otherwise and this was the point that Ross was making about the PC unit..

My point was that they are looking for a reason to reject Warranty claim..
A good reason to wait until tha Bike is Outa Warranty don't you think Hans ???

Yeah it is a technoical point!! but as my Dealer told me when I asked about Tuneboy when I bought my bike he said that Triumph was only concerned about TuneBoy (TuneECU was not around then) because it CHANGED the the ECU's settings they may have changed thier stance since and it probally be safer to wait but check with your dealer principal on thier support for or against the PCV which as I said does not change the ECU only the information it sends to the injectors

 

[Dennsell]

Yeah it is a technoical point!! but as my Dealer told me when I asked about Tuneboy when I bought my bike he said that Triumph was only concerned about TuneBoy (TuneECU was not around then) because it CHANGED the the ECU's settings they may have changed thier stance since and it probally be safer to wait but check with your dealer principal on thier support for or against the PCV which as I said does not change the ECU only the information it sends to the injectors

Hans your repeating yourself I was not suggesting any change to the ECU and I don't wish to argue the point mate..
All dealers have their own interpritation of the rules some dealers are rigid some are flexible..
If I have to go through this nit picking with you every time I offer an opinion or a suggestion I will drop out of the circle mate its not a problem for me.
I don't want to win any points here... just passing on what I was told by a reputable friendly understanding dealer..
Sorry Hans but if you want to always be right.. fine by me Sir..

No disrespect intended.

 

[CanberraR3]

Local dealer here also told me categorically that a PC would void warranty. I've not asked him about Tune ECU or Tuneboy but it stands to reason that Triumph could have concerns. He's generally been pretty easy going but has shown me he can nit pick if he wants to. Your warranty's a valuable thing and worth protecting.