Hans my friend,
just how much storable memory do you think the PCV has?
It samples the air, holds THAT info, then runs THAT mixture till you tell it to learn again.
I got to wondering about it yesterday, so I called the tech guru yesterday at Dobeck.
I asked about leaning the fuel down just to make sure I was right, and I was.
The 3.0 won't lean past factory settings, the 3.5 will.
I asked if the generation 4.0 was comparable to the PCV.
He's buddies with the tech guys at Dynajet, same town, same interests, I guess same bars, etc.
Anyway, the Generation 4.0 was pulled before it went on sale,
because the info I posted above, is the info the dynajet techs gave him,
and Dobeck wouldn't sell a unit that didn't do ALL that they said it would.
Now there is a list for the 4.0, I'm number 2 on the list now.
The 4.0 is a stand alone unit and only reads the A/F mixture at this point.
It's now used in conjunction WITH the 3.0 or 3.5,
uses suction cups to hold it on the tank, has a + & - wire an that's how complicated it is to hook up,
well that, and it has a probe to screw into the air sensor bung.
THAT gives you a true reading in real time, and you adjust the 3.0 or 3.5 accordingly.
BTW, the Generation 4.0 isn't for sale,
Dobeck is sending it out as a "tool" you can borrow then send back.
Once they get it where it WILL adjust on the fly so to speak,
they'll start selling them, but at this point, NO UNIT does it continually,
at least according to the dynajet techs and my Dobeck guy.
now don't get me wrong, the PCV does learn in learn mode,
but that's the info you're running on continuously, at least according to the techs.
Now I'm guessing you could continuously run your PCV in "learn" or as an open loop system,
but at some point I would think the internal memory would overload
and leave it as a non functioning unit sitting beside the road somewhere fairly inconvenient, I'd guess.
So, I think I'll stick with my simple little unit and keep riding my dependable Dobeck equipped bike.
now the above scenario is hypothetical of course, your results may vary,
it may run forever in learn or "open loop" mode, good luck with that.
But at least it will give ya real time info in "learn" mode like it says it will,
and that's a good thing.
Now none of this is personal experience ya understand,
or meant to promote one unit over the other,
I'm just passing along info I got from the tech.
I figure the more informed we are, the better able we are to make informed decisions.
 
Skip Ol Buddy I am not trying to be argumentive but theThe Auto samples the exhaust gases sends data to PCV which adjusts fueling on the fly in real time it does not store any data unless you add the data logging module which you need to put a memory card in
It works in real time changing by trimming - or + as you go it does NOT Stop sampling it use the the info correct the fueling and dumps the info only leaving the current trim in thetablyou. You can turn of the Auto tune but then it would not be any better than the PCIII it also allows for a module which (when I can spare the cash) I will buy that allows you to store a second set of AFR's and you can switch between the two, it is LCD touch screen with the current AFR, TPS etc and also allows you to change your AFRs on the Fly.
I did actully strap my 10 inch laptop to the tank when I was working out my AFR table map to determine the throttle positions to make changes when I wanted to change from economic running to full power. This LCD module by the way has been available for quite a while and I am guessing you may misinformed because they (Dobec) could not market due to copyright breach
The tech I spoke to at DynoJet informed me it works great only reason I did not buy it straightaway at the same time is because I didnt want to have the LCD module cluttering up the gauge area on the bike
 
Could be (copy-write infringement) I guess.
Who knows.
I'll definitely take your word it does what it claims it does over some tech.
My tech guy said they (the dynojet techs) said once you put it in run mode,
all it was is a glorified PC3.
I don't know, don't have one like you do, and haven't tested it like you have.
Your word is good as gold to me, so that's that.
I was just passing along the info I got from My tech guy.
Glad it works as advertised.
sounds like a real good item.
Think I'll keep my push button antique unit,
but may score one for Dusty's bike in the future.
Thanks, and ride safe buddy,
skip
 
Could be (copy-write infringement) I guess.
Who knows.
I'll definitely take your word it does what it claims it does over some tech.
My tech guy said they (the dynojet techs) said once you put it in run mode,
all it was is a glorified PC3.
I don't know, don't have one like you do, and haven't tested it like you have.
Your word is good as gold to me, so that's that.
I was just passing along the info I got from My tech guy.
Glad it works as advertised.
sounds like a real good item.
Think I'll keep my push button antique unit,
but may score one for Dusty's bike in the future.
Thanks, and ride safe buddy,
skip
There was no offence taken on my behalf you should know I like good discussion like when our friend trys to persuade us that we are all going to die because of our choice of tyres... I will defend my right to think for myself to the end!

Hey Skip you know I'm like that junkyard dog... Probally the Dutch in me (stuburn Prick) but I won't let go of the bone as long as I havent finnishes chewing it ...LOL
One instance that confirmed that it is working was when I first got it it had a faulty Can cable ( the little cable between the PCV and the AT and the bike stared to run like a pig all of a sudden when I got home I connected it up to the laptop while running and there was no AFR's coming up on the display so I checked the connections and when I wiggled one end it flashed up on the screen, anyway DynoJet sent me another and no more probs
 
hanso, you have preds, right?..did Sam make your set with the 02 sensor in them?..just wondering, as I have preds too...with no sensor in them..
 
Hans your repeating yourself I was not suggesting any change to the ECU and I don't wish to argue the point mate..
All dealers have their own interpritation of the rules some dealers are rigid some are flexible..
If I have to go through this nit picking with you every time I offer an opinion or a suggestion I will drop out of the circle mate its not a problem for me.:rolleyes:
I don't want to win any points here... just passing on what I was told by a reputable friendly understanding dealer..
Sorry Hans but if you want to always be right.. fine by me Sir..:D

No disrespect intended.:cool:
please watch your Blood pressure buddy I was not looking for an argument either and don't want have to go over there to your funeral because we are only discussing things here I am not looking for points I only come the forum to try and glean more info and to try and pass on info I have learned not mention trying to help people solve issues with thier bike
None taken on my behalf. I only repeated that line as I thought you may have missed it I even went on to say that triumph may have changed their stance on the power commanders remember as I said that is what I was told when I bought my bike and the PCV was not out yet
 
hanso, you have preds, right?..did Sam make your set with the 02 sensor in them?..just wondering, as I have preds too...with no sensor in them..

Yeah but they are not full pred system just the headers, I had to ask Sam to included it and if you are asking because you are wanting to go with a PCV + AT don't stress the Auto tune comes with a bung fitting that you can get welded into the collector where the three pipes merge it comes with diagrams and instructions on correct angle etc Ruzzel from the .com site a mate of mine that lives near to me had one welded in to his Preds because with his SC and all his other mods felt the need to watch his AFRs
 
Hans,
you and Ann gonna be able to show up in Sept for a ride to Arkansas with us?
even got ya a red R3 you guys can ride, an a car tire like you like.;)
Dusty will just have to load up with me, my luck she'll want me on back,
but for her, I guess i'd do it to get to ride with ya'll.
 
Hans,
you and Ann gonna be able to show up in Sept for a ride to Arkansas with us?
even got ya a red R3 you guys can ride, an a car tire like you like.;)
Dusty will just have to load up with me, my luck she'll want me on back,
but for her, I guess i'd do it to get to ride with ya'll.

Geeez Skip I am going to be in Hervey Bay QLD for The RDU and be pushing it as it is if I can get over there next year things are a bit tight now with out Ann working I have had to put a few little projects on hold but it won't be from a lack of trying
 
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