I will reload my current tune (20226 with full power). I've gone the whole 9 yards with decel popping. I've used my L tables, your L tables, PCIII O2 sensor bypass, unchecking the Tuneboy O2 sensor box - and still haven't completely eliminated it. Can you post a link to your best L table mod?
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I will reload my current tune (20226 with full power). I've gone the whole 9 yards with decel popping. I've used my L tables, your L tables, PCIII O2 sensor bypass, unchecking the Tuneboy O2 sensor box - and still haven't completely eliminated it. Can you post a link to your best L table mod?
Tazshido
.040 Over
Having 2nd thoughts on buying one
I gotta tell you guys and girls, this forums page isn't doing anything for my confidence level. I'm primarily looking at a Royal Star or Rocket tour. But with all the Idle problems this and second gear that, I'm starting to think I should stick to the Yamaha. The BIGGEST reason I'm not in the market for a Harley is that I refuse to pay over $25,000 for a bike that needs a $4000 screaming eagle kit to give it the power it SHOULD HAVE HAD from the factory. Triumph is making the same mistake with the T-bird by the way (IMHO). I don't want to pay over $30K for a great, powerful cruiser that needs more time effort and money dumped in to make it reliable. Add to the mix the fact that I will probably be looking at used rockets to the tune of $12K and up and I'm running the risk of picking up some poor schmuck's un-upgraded POS, I'm not sure any of it is worth it. I joined the forums for the truth but the truth is my confidence is severely shaken. I'm not a rich man and I don't have time to fight with a dealer over warranty work.
I think I may have to skip on the exclusivity and stick with the vanilla (but proven) engineering.
I gotta tell you guys and girls, this forums page isn't doing anything for my confidence level. I'm primarily looking at a Royal Star or Rocket tour. But with all the Idle problems this and second gear that, I'm starting to think I should stick to the Yamaha. The BIGGEST reason I'm not in the market for a Harley is that I refuse to pay over $25,000 for a bike that needs a $4000 screaming eagle kit to give it the power it SHOULD HAVE HAD from the factory. Triumph is making the same mistake with the T-bird by the way (IMHO). I don't want to pay over $30K for a great, powerful cruiser that needs more time effort and money dumped in to make it reliable. Add to the mix the fact that I will probably be looking at used rockets to the tune of $12K and up and I'm running the risk of picking up some poor schmuck's un-upgraded POS, I'm not sure any of it is worth it. I joined the forums for the truth but the truth is my confidence is severely shaken. I'm not a rich man and I don't have time to fight with a dealer over warranty work.
I think I may have to skip on the exclusivity and stick with the vanilla (but proven) engineering.
boogerdave
Nitrous
I wouldnt worry about the issues here if you are buying a new bike. These issues are on prior years.
Yamaha isnt immune either . . I owned an 02 Road Star that had a transmission recall for a 4 year run of models . . seems a clip was bad and they didnt know which ones had the bad clip. Every 1600 Road Star was recalled and had to have the cases split and a new tranny was put in. All for a clip. Long story short . . when they put my bike back together with the JP Pistons (Yamaha upgrade) they installed them backwards. Intake valve cuts were facing toward exhaust. The pistons were shaped to fill the head which threw the geometry off for ignition and ended up shattering the front piston on the way back from Thunder Beach in Panama City. THEIR answer was . . oops
Yamaha isnt immune either . . I owned an 02 Road Star that had a transmission recall for a 4 year run of models . . seems a clip was bad and they didnt know which ones had the bad clip. Every 1600 Road Star was recalled and had to have the cases split and a new tranny was put in. All for a clip. Long story short . . when they put my bike back together with the JP Pistons (Yamaha upgrade) they installed them backwards. Intake valve cuts were facing toward exhaust. The pistons were shaped to fill the head which threw the geometry off for ignition and ended up shattering the front piston on the way back from Thunder Beach in Panama City. THEIR answer was . . oops
My Rocket cost $21,000 new, with a ton of accessories, including taxes and registration. I got it because it was the most powerful bike out there.
The problems you read about on these forums represent a handful of all of the Rockets out there.
If you're going to get a Yamaha, at least get a hot one (V-Max).
Tazshido
.040 Over
I've got time
I have about 7 months before I'm back in the beautiful United States again. I'll keep learning. And I'm not looking at ANY V-twins. The Royal Star has a factory 5 year warranty, the best in all of motorcycling. There is a reason for that. I REALLY want a stand out bike, and the Rocket III is that AND a bag of chips. Plus it's a huge motorcycle and I stand 6'5" and weigh in at 220 Lbs (on a good day).
So Here's a question, and I'll ask this on the Touring section too, Since the tour model came out in 2008, had triumph addressed most of the issues on the bikes by that time? Or in other words, how many of the earlier proliferate problems are actually on the 2008s and later (specifically the tour model)?
I really do like the look, sound and attitude of the rocket. I just have to be confident in my purchase.
Carpe Noctis
I have about 7 months before I'm back in the beautiful United States again. I'll keep learning. And I'm not looking at ANY V-twins. The Royal Star has a factory 5 year warranty, the best in all of motorcycling. There is a reason for that. I REALLY want a stand out bike, and the Rocket III is that AND a bag of chips. Plus it's a huge motorcycle and I stand 6'5" and weigh in at 220 Lbs (on a good day).
So Here's a question, and I'll ask this on the Touring section too, Since the tour model came out in 2008, had triumph addressed most of the issues on the bikes by that time? Or in other words, how many of the earlier proliferate problems are actually on the 2008s and later (specifically the tour model)?
I really do like the look, sound and attitude of the rocket. I just have to be confident in my purchase.
Carpe Noctis
RatBoy
Turbocharged
Here's my two cents....
Point #1.... All bike have issues, Triumph is not immune.
Point #2.... Triumph creates an 'upgrade kit' to replace parts that it has discovered are (a) poorly designed, (b) inadequately engineered for the machine, or (c) are replacing parts with a better design.
Point #3... I cannot say what parts were included in the upgrade kit that was installed into my standard, but I do know that many of the parts included became standard factory parts in later years.
The big finish....
Triumph is absolutely standing behind the early Rocket owners that have had issues... myself included... installing the upgrade kit under warranty.
In my humble opinion, the 'Rocket plank owners' that bought the '05/'06 Rockets and ran into the issues have only made the current models better because the problems that they incurred have been addressed by the factory.
I would certainly expect that Triumph would continue this practice with the new Touring model.
Skid Mark
.040 Over
Jury is still out
My 05 is getting the up grade kit, The shop has told me that it is being good willed but I do not have that in writing. They have received the upgrade kit in a large box along with the main transmission shaft that is in the engine casing, that is what they told me that broke. They are supposed to start the tear down and build up tomorrow. I will let you know.
My 05 is getting the up grade kit, The shop has told me that it is being good willed but I do not have that in writing. They have received the upgrade kit in a large box along with the main transmission shaft that is in the engine casing, that is what they told me that broke. They are supposed to start the tear down and build up tomorrow. I will let you know.
RatBoy
Turbocharged
Skids
You'll notice that your clutch engagement/disengagement point is different. Mine now engages/disengages much earlier than it did before. It's almost like speed shifting in that there not much of a throw for the clutch to disengage.
I also notice that there's a 'lag' when pulling the clutch all of the way in at low rpms. It goes away when I shift at 3k rpms.
You'll notice that your clutch engagement/disengagement point is different. Mine now engages/disengages much earlier than it did before. It's almost like speed shifting in that there not much of a throw for the clutch to disengage.
I also notice that there's a 'lag' when pulling the clutch all of the way in at low rpms. It goes away when I shift at 3k rpms.
budman
Nitrous
..so far so good, knock on wood, fingers crossed..06 with 10,000 miles..
tfrazier
.040 Over
I'm happy to report that all my issues have gone away now that my '08 R3 Classic is fully broken in. It took 700 miles (200 past the first oil change) but the elusive neutral problem is gone and everything works perfectly.
She's still 100 per cent stock (with the exception of Flip's throttle hack) and I will be doing a cat delete one day soon...haven't decided whether to do that in combo with a D&D exhaust or just do have the dealer perform the factory purchased bypass kit.
I couldn't be happier with my purchase. I kicked around between HD, Victory, or Yamaha Stratoliner before finally settling on the R3 Classic. It was the awesome power and pure uniqueness that made the difference.
The most common reaction I get from HD riders that pull up next to me is "That's one bad@$$ lookin' bike!"
Second most common reaction is them calling me a liar when they ask what size it is and I tell them it's a 2300cc.
The R3 may not make me cool, but she darn sure makes me LOOK cool. I know, I've checked myself out in the storefront window reflections as I ride past
Whatever problems the earlier model years had going on that created the infamous "upgrade kit" need, I think the last two or three years' models have free and clear of.
And in reference to the Thunderbird, it is interesting that Triumph offers the engine upgrade right out of the gate. Not sure what the point is unless you think of it like a car option where you can buy the same model with a v6 or an optional v8. I'm seriously considering a T-Bird for the wife. I think the seat is low enough and the controls are well within her reach. Eurosport Cycle in Fort Worth now has two of them available for sale to the general public.
She's still 100 per cent stock (with the exception of Flip's throttle hack) and I will be doing a cat delete one day soon...haven't decided whether to do that in combo with a D&D exhaust or just do have the dealer perform the factory purchased bypass kit.
I couldn't be happier with my purchase. I kicked around between HD, Victory, or Yamaha Stratoliner before finally settling on the R3 Classic. It was the awesome power and pure uniqueness that made the difference.
The most common reaction I get from HD riders that pull up next to me is "That's one bad@$$ lookin' bike!"
Second most common reaction is them calling me a liar when they ask what size it is and I tell them it's a 2300cc.
The R3 may not make me cool, but she darn sure makes me LOOK cool. I know, I've checked myself out in the storefront window reflections as I ride past
Whatever problems the earlier model years had going on that created the infamous "upgrade kit" need, I think the last two or three years' models have free and clear of.
And in reference to the Thunderbird, it is interesting that Triumph offers the engine upgrade right out of the gate. Not sure what the point is unless you think of it like a car option where you can buy the same model with a v6 or an optional v8. I'm seriously considering a T-Bird for the wife. I think the seat is low enough and the controls are well within her reach. Eurosport Cycle in Fort Worth now has two of them available for sale to the general public.
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