Is Narrower better

[CanberraR3]

Hey Warp, I'm running Avon Cobras front and rear and loving them. Just writing what I've observed. I'm not convinced about putting a car tyre on a bike but that's me. They appear to work just fine and the people I've met using car tyres are all sensible souls. I respect them and their decision - as well as their decision to exercise their own free choice. And without exception, they respect my decision. I doubt anyone using a car tyre on their bike would say it is better than a bike tyre in every respect. I would say that they've weighed up the pros and cons and CTs suit their needs.

I reckon some people would say that fitting a blower to a bike not designed for one is similarly not a good idea because of the extraordinary stress and strain it puts on the rest of the drive train. Some might also say it's possibly even dangerous.

I don't know, so I don't judge. Instead, I say if it floats your boat and you're aware of the risks and can live with the compromises, do it.

 

[warp9.9]

Hey Warp, I'm running Avon Cobras front and rear and loving them. Just writing what I've observed. I'm not convinced about putting a car tyre on a bike but that's me. They appear to work just fine and the people I've met using car tyres are all sensible souls. I respect them and their decision - as well as their decision to exercise their own free choice. And without exception, they respect my decision. I doubt anyone using a car tyre on their bike would say it is better than a bike tyre in every respect. I would say that they've weighed up the pros and cons and CTs suit their needs.

I reckon some people would say that fitting a blower to a bike not designed for one is similarly not a good idea because of the extraordinary stress and strain it puts on the rest of the drive train. Some might also say it's possibly even dangerous.

I don't know, so I don't judge. Instead, I say if it floats your boat and you're aware of the risks and can live with the compromises, do it.

Your right about the blower except we all know I am crazy already
I don't care what they run either its a to each his own type of decision.

 

[HansO]

Your right about the blower except we all know I am crazy already
I don't care what they run either its a to each his own type of decision.

Warp that makes two of us even when I rode Sports Bikes and then Sports Tourers I have often been accused of being Mad, pushing a bike to extremes in the corners it's my madness and I don't need books to tell me what my arse angle meter has been telling me for the last 38 years, running 36 psi I have very little deformation of the tyre and I actually do get over further, believe me or not I really don't care but the Metzler was actually starting to get road surface marking on the sidewall 1/4 inch over the edge of the tread and starting to let go at the lesser angles I only wish I had taken a photo of the the sidewall marks of the Metzler when I took it of. Just to finnish you may have notice I have asked users of other bike tyres how they are going ETC cost was never a major reason for the switch I have been tempted to try the Brigestone but as yet have not seen one that has been pushed in corners so I never discounted going back to a Bike tyre just haven't found one I am prepared to trust to grip

Any Way I'm not going to go any more let's just say we are both Raving Lunitics in our own way

 

[warp9.9]

Hanso you missed the point if your draging the floor boards your trashing $449.00 plus tax USD just because your saving 100 to 150.00 on a car tire. This is do to the extra counter steering you naturally have to use in the curve. Of course I stated ride what you want and I was just passing on information as if a guy with a car tire goes thru the curve just as fast as he can with a MC tire then all your doing is grinding the savings you made on the CT just to purchase more floor boards. I am sure the pegs are not as expensive so it is not as bad but still your spending money negating your savings. Its ok though what ever you want I was just posting some information I found in books. thats all keep grinding away. I think if your grinding pegs/floor boards or anything going thru a curve you picked the wrong line!!!!!!!!!!!!! No matter what tire your running

But thats ok because its your line.
I am out of here because my intention was just to pass information on. Take what you need leave the rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HansO]

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Sorry you missed the point I have non standard pegs that sit 10mm higher than the Standard pegs did and I was scraping earlier and at lower speeds in the same corner with the Metz. Sorry if this upsets you but there is only One line through these sets of corners, or you are over the side or worse will become a truck grill decoration, they are that tight, This is my play ground we are talking about and there are a couple of BMW k1200s riders that like to think they would like to stay with me but can can only stay in touch on the open sweepers but fall back on the hairpins and tighter corners. accept the facts
Cheers
Hans

 

[warp9.9]

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Sorry you missed the point I have non standard pegs that sit 10mm higher than the Standard pegs did and I was scraping earlier and at lower speeds in the same corner with the Metz. Sorry if this upsets you but there is only One line through these sets of corners, or you are over the side or worse will become a truck grill decoration, they are that tight, This is my play ground we are talking about and there are a couple of BMW k1200s riders that like to think they would like to stay with me but can can only stay in touch on the open sweepers but fall back on the hairpins and tighter corners. accept the facts
Cheers
Hans

I am not the best in the twisties but have noticed I am getting better. The rest of the time I just pass in the gradual sweepers and straights. I can get far enough ahead on sweepers that I can have a smoke waiting for people to catch up. Nothing like rolling the boost on!!!!!!!!!!!! Higher pegs and rear sets are not for my knees I have two surgeries on my left one. I call it forced surgery as the Pullan chain saw nessesitated that

 

[CanberraR3]

Nothing like rolling the boost on!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't agree with that! Nothing worse that flying flat out and suddenly feeling you can't make the corner you've underestimated. There's not much of that road Hanso rides where flat out speed gives you any advantage. I've said alsewhere that for me (as a non-local) it's more challenge than fun. Last time I rode it with Hanso he was finishing his capuccino at the Braidwood pie shop by the time I got there.

 

[warp9.9]

Can't agree with that! Nothing worse that flying flat out and suddenly feeling you can't make the corner you've underestimated. There's not much of that road Hanso rides where flat out speed gives you any advantage. I've said alsewhere that for me (as a non-local) it's more challenge than fun. Last time I rode it with Hanso he was finishing his capuccino at the Braidwood pie shop by the time I got there.

You have a point but if you can't judge straight aways I would be leary about the twisties!!!

 

[Captain Bob]

warp9.9,

I think I am missing your point as well. You said....

"Hanso you missed the point if your draging the floor boards your trashing $449.00 plus tax USD just because your saving 100 to 150.00 on a car tire. This is do to the extra counter steering you naturally have to use in the curve. "

I retired from road racing in 2005. Roadracers use countersteering due to the high speeds they are riding. Try "turning" the bars when decelerating into a tight turn from 150mph. You will get a serious upperbody workout if you "turn" the bars. However, if you countersteer, that literally "drops" the bike in the direction you want to change making the turn much much more easier. I could explain the physics behind why this is and what countersteering actually does but tdo not ahve enough time.

"Extra" countersteering does not cause you to scrape the boards any easier. It actually makes it a bit harder to make the turn.

Perhaps, I am missunderstanding something?

 

[warp9.9]

warp9.9,

I think I am missing your point as well. You said....

"Hanso you missed the point if your draging the floor boards your trashing $449.00 plus tax USD just because your saving 100 to 150.00 on a car tire. This is do to the extra counter steering you naturally have to use in the curve. "

I retired from road racing in 2005. Roadracers use countersteering due to the high speeds they are riding. Try "turning" the bars when decelerating into a tight turn from 150mph. You will get a serious upperbody workout if you "turn" the bars. However, if you countersteer, that literally "drops" the bike in the direction you want to change making the turn much much more easier. I could explain the physics behind why this is and what countersteering actually does but tdo not ahve enough time.

"Extra" countersteering does not cause you to scrape the boards any easier. It actually makes it a bit harder to make the turn.

Perhaps, I am missunderstanding something?

Your basically right I just stated that the car tire makes you counter steer more which leans the bike over more and scrapeds the boards/pegs. I am betting a guy that runs a car tire and is used to the extra counter steering when laid over can go thru the same curve not having to counter steer as much and then not drag iron so much and save the money on the boards thats all. To be honest until I read it in the book I did not even realise that I was steering the opposite way in the curves. Most likely you did not missunderstand me I just could not put it in writing very well.