Hill Hold feature

[Einar]

This is wrong wrong wrong. The front brake lever has absolutely nothing to do with the rear caliper. It only creates pressure for the front brake system. You keep feeding this false line that the brakes are linked.

The only linking going on is at the abs modulator which clicks shut upon activating the hill-hold feature. If there was no rear brake pressure applied by you before activating, it's not holding the rear brake. And certainly not creating rear brake pressure from the front brake lever. The hill hold is only holding pressure. Front pressure because it was activated, rear ONLY if you put rear brake on while the hill hold activated. Linked only in the holding function, not linked brakes. nada, no, none.

"Triumph has introduced electronically variable linked braking on the Rocket 3, whereby when you squeeze the front brake lever, the ECU decides what proportion of braking power should be applied on the rear, as well. This is primarily determined via speed, weight transfer and lean angle, leaving you free if you wish to add extra bite at the back by working the foot lever, which doesn’t also operate the front."

"All motorcycle models are equipped with a partially integrated braking system, combined with the Anti-lock Braking System (ABS). This increases the braking efficiency when riding the motorcycle. When the front brake is applied, a small amount of rear brake is also applied, allowing for balanced braking. The amount of rear brake application is related to the level of braking force applied by the rider through the front brake lever. Use of the rear brake pedal alone will only apply the rear brake."

"When all of the above conditions are met, complete the following:
▼ Squeeze the front brake lever firmly and quickly, then release."

"Hill hold control assists the rider in making hill starts. The system (when activated) will apply the rear brake to hold the motorcycle in position. The system will then automatically deactivate and release the rear brake when it detects that the rider is attempting to move off."

Sure does sound linked. Now present your evidence.

 

[Jagster]

"Triumph has introduced electronically variable linked braking on the Rocket 3, whereby when you squeeze the front brake lever, the ECU decides what proportion of braking power should be applied on the rear, as well. This is primarily determined via speed, weight transfer and lean angle, leaving you free if you wish to add extra bite at the back by working the foot lever, which doesn’t also operate the front."

"All motorcycle models are equipped with a partially integrated braking system, combined with the Anti-lock Braking System (ABS). This increases the braking efficiency when riding the motorcycle. When the front brake is applied, a small amount of rear brake is also applied, allowing for balanced braking. The amount of rear brake application is related to the level of braking force applied by the rider through the front brake lever. Use of the rear brake pedal alone will only apply the rear brake."

"When all of the above conditions are met, complete the following:
▼ Squeeze the front brake lever firmly and quickly, then release."

"Hill hold control assists the rider in making hill starts. The system (when activated) will apply the rear brake to hold the motorcycle in position. The system will then automatically deactivate and release the rear brake when it detects that the rider is attempting to move off."

Sure does sound linked. Now present your evidence.

Translates to me as:
The brake system is too complex to work on myself. Best get the dealer to maintain it.
That's rather annoying

 

[atomsplitter]

This is wrong wrong wrong. The front brake lever has absolutely nothing to do with the rear caliper. It only creates pressure for the front brake system. You keep feeding this false line that the brakes are linked.

The only linking going on is at the abs modulator which clicks shut upon activating the hill-hold feature. If there was no rear brake pressure applied by you before activating, it's not holding the rear brake. And certainly not creating rear brake pressure from the front brake lever. The hill hold is only holding pressure. Front pressure because it was activated, rear ONLY if you put rear brake on while the hill hold activated. Linked only in the holding function, not linked brakes. nada, no, none.

Thanks for your clarification. Now if you would interpret the meaning of these words from my manual? I may have mistakenly taken the manual literally and activated the Hill Hold soley using the front brake lever and the rear brake did engage (magically?) and the rear brake was preventing the bike from rolling back, so exactly how is that working since, as you say, it can't? Remember I did NOT use the rear brake pedal at any time and the Hill Hold green light lit and the rear brake was ON using ONLY the front brake lever. I"M curious what mechaical/electrical (magic) was occurring since, as you say, it can't?

 

[TURBO200R4]

Translates to me as:
The brake system is too complex to work on myself. Best get the dealer to maintain it.
That's rather annoying

And you think that they are up to the job

 

[CosmicBlue]

Happy to be corrected but I believe that Hill Hold, when activated, uses the ABS pump to pressurize (US spelling for you lot over there) the entire braking system. Would be easy enough to test if anyone has a bike lift that suspends the bike with the wheels free.

 

[atomsplitter]

Happy to be corrected but I believe that Hill Hold, when activated, uses the ABS pump to pressurize (US spelling for you lot over there) the entire braking system. Would be easy enough to test if anyone has a bike lift that suspends the bike with the wheels free.

No need for that. Observe your ABS modulator and you'll see both front and rear brake hydraulic lines go into the same 'magical' box. Internal modulator valving can apply that hydraulic pressure wherever it wants based on the ABS ECU demand. The valving ONLY applies to the FRONT brake fluid pressure (the rear is independent). So a quick hard squeeze of the front brake lever can apply the hand pump's pressure allway round and then release only the front when let go (if the Hill Hold is enabled and the conditions are met to activate). This is not a rear wheel lockup, barely enough pressure is applied to keep the bike rolling back, and it's not supposed to keep the bike from rolling forward. The modulator to hold the rear brake caliper under pressure has to keep the valve "energized" to prevent fluid from returning to the reservoir (releasing the brake), which is why they have a time limit to prevent burning out the modulator. When the bike is sensed rolling forward (under power or gravity) the modulator Hill Hold is deenergized.

 

[zenbiker]

Buttons buttons buttons, safer and easier by the day, i guess you cant stop making life easy. Motorcycles are not what they use to be, when the rider was the button. I guess im just jealous, but soon anyone will be able to ride a motorcycle that wont even fall over. Hill hold, whod a thunk it, i thought thats what clutch and brake was for.

Absolutely one of the BEST features to have on any bike! Try holding on a steep hill while trying to make a sharp turn with a passenger!! It will make you appreciate the feature very much!!

 

[Kevin frazier]

Absolutely one of the BEST features to have on any bike! Try holding on a steep hill while trying to make a sharp turn with a passenger!! It will make you appreciate the feature very much!!

Since you double tapped me !! i see you love the BEST feature and i need to get with the program im sure its a good feature to have along with the other buttons, i was just hatin on the buttons cause well i dont have any and my 08 touring is dangerous but im coming around and know i too will have buttons one day, theres no stopping it. And when i leave the dragon store i wont have to worry about ever falling over coming out of the parking lot there before twisting it wide open iykyk

 

[Jagster]

And you think that they are up to the job

In my case, yes. They are, thankfully.
Not cheap though