Digital speedometer

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  1. Franx6

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    Hello group

    The plan is to change for digital kit.
    Do you think that will work on my 2006 tr3?
    Thanks for your advices
     

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    Work? - Anything can be made to work. But will ALL the features work as you want? - Only a good long study of documentation will tell you.

    A 2006 (and so pre CANBUS) will run fine with alternative clocks.

    I can pretty much state : Forget using the gear indicator. The R3 dear indicator is a resistance system that the ECU interprets.
    If that is a generic Chinese type display - it depends on direct earth for each gear - a different method.

    Not found any fuel gauge that works well out of the box with the triumph sensor either. The Chinese gauge I tried recently reads 100½ the reverse.

    Also be VERY careful with the Chinese stuff. They use totally weird wiring colours. This is no issue if you are competent with electrics - but unless it is REALLY well documented you will suffer and curse - An R+D Thread - Different instruments.

    ime - the wiring on the cheap stuff can be bulky, untidy and stiff. Whereas displays made by more established marques tend to have better cables.
     
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    Thank you Barba,
    It’s a good beginning.
    Make sens for the gears and the fuel. We don’t have them also.
    Canbus is a kind of resistor, to make it works? You buy it to make the speedometer works?
    I find those also, seems to be easy to make it fit!
     

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    DEcosse If it's no Scottish it's CRAP!

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    Indeed - most of these have a separate ground for each gear - there may be some that use computational method (using engine rpm vs road speed).
    If you want Gear Indicator, you are probably better off with dedicated after-market device (like Healtech)


    I installed an Acewell on a BMW recently - it had both + & - options in programming options for the fuel gauge input, so would indicate correctly whether the resistance goes high to low or low to high.
    Quality product

    You don't need anything to make the gauges work on a classic - the signals are all discrete already. No resistors required.

    Also - that first one you linked in last post - those are super-cheap, less than $30 on EBay - you get what you pay for! The RPM signal is REALLY awkward for this gauge - it needs to be capacitively coupled.
     
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    Oh you most certainly do have gears and fuel. But not via standard instruments.

    The gears however require a logic circuit to decipher. i.e. Healtech.
    Fuel is there BUT is a different connector.

    Canbus is a form of communication protocol. It requires deciphering. As Ken says a 2009 and earlier does not have CANBUS so be happy.

    My experience of Acewell stuff differs to Ken's.
    I have seen several fail - at my mate's bike shop. So much so he no refuses to even consider fitting them.
    But they are NOT in the same dubious category as a 30dollar chinese thing.

    Other marques we know fit to an R3 are KOSO and Dakota Digital.I know the fuel gauge on the Dakota is fully configurable too.
    I confess to being a fan of KOSO gauges. But that's me. Bimota have many of "their" gauges made by KOSO.

    Allow me to ask WHY the change?
    Don't get me wrong - I like R&D, and if you just want to see if it can be done then hell, yes, buy cheepos.
    But if you want them to work reliably in all weathers - buy decent ones.
    My, albeit very limited, experience of Canada was COLD and NOT DRY.
     
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    warp9.9 Pocałuj mnie w dupę

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    Here Frank I translated Ken's elecrical jargon for you.
    barbagris powiedział: ↑
    Mogę powiedzieć prawie: Zapomnij o wskaźniku biegów. Drogi wskaźnik R3 jest systemem oporu interpretowanym przez ECU.
    Jeśli jest to ogólny wyświetlacz typu chińskiego - zależy on od bezpośredniej ziemi dla każdego biegu - inna metoda.
    Rzeczywiście - większość z nich ma osobne podłoże dla każdego biegu - mogą istnieć takie, które wykorzystują metodę obliczeniową (z wykorzystaniem prędkości obrotowej silnika w stosunku do prędkości na drodze).
    Jeśli potrzebujesz wskaźnika biegów, prawdopodobnie lepiej skorzystasz z dedykowanego urządzenia do obsługi rynku wtórnego (np. Healtech)


    Nie znaleziono żadnego miernika paliwa, który działałby dobrze po wyjęciu z czujnika triumfu. Chiński wskaźnik, który próbowałem ostatnio, brzmi 100½ na odwrót ....
    Niedawno zainstalowałem Acewella w BMW - miał on opcje + i - w opcjach programowania wejścia wskaźnika poziomu paliwa, więc wskazywałby prawidłowo, czy opór jest wysoki, czy niski lub niski do wysokiego.
    Produkt jakościowy

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    ..... Canbus jest rodzajem rezystora, który działa? Kupujesz go, aby prędkościomierz działał? .....
    Nie potrzebujesz niczego, aby wskaźniki działały na klasyczne - wszystkie sygnały są już dyskretne. Nie są wymagane rezystory.

    Również - ten pierwszy, który umieściłeś w ostatnim poście - są super tanie, mniej niż 30 dolarów w serwisie eBay - masz za co płacisz! Sygnał RPM jest NAPRAWDĘ niezręczny dla tego miernika - musi być sprzężony pojemnościowo.

    Not sure if its any clearer :D






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    Very good Gents,
    Waw, i’m Learning good stuff, thank you very much!
    I do change to try to improve the bike. Some time I succeed... lol
    I changed air filter, muffler, map. Head lights...
    Most of the time via this forum... and it works!
    Now the idea it’s to switch for digital. Only because I like it. Also I begin to see moisture in the instruments. Nothing bad but...

    Those below are the last ones I found for the tr3 with your post.
     

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    Haha !
    Very clear Wrap :)
     
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    All fine reasons.

    When doing research - I always have a browse of Digital-Speedos in the UK.
    They're not the cheapest, they are not much use to you in Canada. BUT you can get to see a few things.
    And if they say they are M/C rated - they are waterproof.
    There is a load of stuff on ebay etc that says for bikes but really are car gauges.

    Multifunction Gauges

    Also worth looking at

    MCV-7000 & MCL-5000 Series
     
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    Okay Barba,
    I will also check Dakota.

    I saw some unit working only by satellite.
    Interesting...
     
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