Thanks warp...the plate popped right off and is loose, have the pieces of the lifter spring removed and spring dropped out..it is simply getting the downtube (chrome) that is held into the case by an o ring. Didn't want to pry last eve too much if it had some hidden set screw, flange I was missing. Just some prying without cranking on the front casing looks like its the path. only took and hour or two too get the radiator off, oil drain, coolant drain, bolts for the case, the two brackets that hold the radiator upper in place etc...easy , just time consuming with hops consumption mixed in...the manual is pretty much useless. your a way better resource...LOL!