Carpenter 210+ VS 240+ on the street

[ruzzle]

As for covering the filters, I believe my Frog Togs came in a handy weatherproof bag that would fold up and fit in a pocket nicely. I bet that would fit easily over the filters if I need to park for a while in nasty weather.

Re-sealable plastic sandwich bags from the supermarkets, various sizes........

 

[Tripps]

Daryl of http://www.flipmeisters.com/, who I think is a member here, can get you rain covers for just about any K&N filter, first rate guy, I run my covers permanently. Pretty reasonable, as I remember. Mine has been in pouring rain, more than once, both running and parked, never had a problem.

 

[norseman]

I have never run a NA Carpenter motor as I like to force the air in. But if I ever do this is the filter I will be trying on it.

Warp I have admired that filter design since it was first posted. It's one of the best looking intakes I've ever seen! I understand some of the foam filters degrade and turn brittle over time. Do you know if this is a material that isn't susceptible to that? I would love to see how it compares to bare velocity stacks. Great looking and high performance are two of my favorite phrases.

I'm interested to see how the 4040-1 filters stack up against the "capped" filters. They have filter material at their terminal end, which is supposed to improve intake capacity (but I mostly bought them because I think they look great).

 

[norseman]

I am not not in love with horse power like I am torque. As such having to rev the motor to get "that feeling" was not the way for me. I am glad I went with the addition of a super charger to get the OMG effect. It rides like a stock bike until the throttle is twisted a little.

Something has been puzzling me. I realize a supercharger is going to massively impact torque, but a few other posters around the forum have referenced the Carpenter packages as if they LOWER your low rev torque in favor of higher rev HP. Based on the dyno they have posted on their site it looks like low rev torque is actually quite a bit higher than a stock bike... am I reading this wrong?

http://www.carpenterracing.com/grph_TRIII_240.htm

 

[1olbull]

I have never run a NA Carpenter motor as I like to force the air in. But if I ever do this is the filter I will be trying on it.

It is my opinion that it will give enough flow maybe not as much as no filters but I believe it will be better then any of the triple filters.

disclaimer this is my own design and has not been tested on a Carpenter motor.

Warpo,
Please show us a pix or two of the guts part of your air filter and tell us where they are available.
Curious in Tacoma,
1olbull

 

[warp9.9]

Warp I have admired that filter design since it was first posted. It's one of the best looking intakes I've ever seen! I understand some of the foam filters degrade and turn brittle over time. Do you know if this is a material that isn't susceptible to that? I would love to see how it compares to bare velocity stacks. Great looking and high performance are two of my favorite phrases.

I'm interested to see how the 4040-1 filters stack up against the "capped" filters. They have filter material at their terminal end, which is supposed to improve intake capacity (but I mostly bought them because I think they look great).

Well bud I have not run them long enough to speak of the filter degrading. I suspect Pippercross would not be in buisness if there stuff degraded fast. I can say if they do I would just replace it ,but then I am into power and the filter would be a small price to pay if I had to replace it every two or three seasons. I had the filter covers custom made to fit and now are available thru Outerwears.I chose the largest filter which would leave the 240 hp at the rear wheel once you take a 20% loss of HP thru the drive trane. I used the OEM velocity stacks in the base plate to help the air funnel in which would decrease any backwash of fuel. It was just a idea I was playing with trying to meet the best of both worlds. filter yet have velocity stacks. The base plate was made from a aluminum road sign which keeps the cost down

I also added the temp sensor and the ambient pressure sensor in the tract to give the ecu the best information of actual air entering the throttle bodies.

 

[warp9.9]

Warpo,
Please show us a pix or two of the guts part of your air filter and tell us where they are available.
Curious in Tacoma,
1olbull

I first left the mounting tabs on the baseplate I made like the OEM supplied but the were in the way so I removed them and went with nut inserts to attach the filter to the baseplate.

After that the filter attaches to the throttle bodies with the Velocity stacks just like the OEM stacks did.

 

[warp9.9]

Something has been puzzling me. I realize a supercharger is going to massively impact torque, but a few other posters around the forum have referenced the Carpenter packages as if they LOWER your low rev torque in favor of higher rev HP. Based on the dyno they have posted on their site it looks like low rev torque is actually quite a bit higher than a stock bike... am I reading this wrong?

http://www.carpenterracing.com/grph_TRIII_240.htm

Your not puzzled its a matter of fact that in order to have the torque down low you have to give up fuel mileage as with the SC kits or anyone else that wants to tune more low end power. The you fuel mileage dropps in the lower 30's sure you can specifficaly tune cruising speeds in to 38 or so but there is now torque you have to reach below it where you dumping fuel to go right by the area you just tuned for fuel mileage. or since you have to drab a fist full you can do the same with the carpenter kit and keep your low rpm fuel mileage. Its a not win situation as in order to build power you have to supply air and fuel period no matter whether its a blower kit of NA or stock for that matter. IF you watch the guys that changed the power output once you go there your addicted and it does not matter except a high rpm motor will beat the snot out of a low rpm motor except when it comes to pulling a plough

 

[Trirocket3]

Something has been puzzling me. I realize a supercharger is going to massively impact torque, but a few other posters around the forum have referenced the Carpenter packages as if they LOWER your low rev torque in favor of higher rev HP. Based on the dyno they have posted on their site it looks like low rev torque is actually quite a bit higher than a stock bike... am I reading this wrong?

http://www.carpenterracing.com/grph_TRIII_240.htm

Carpenter kit raises torque above 2500-3000rpms compared to stock, turning the rocket into a sports bike eater if you use the revs available
Some prefer to power away from idle, that's not the quickest way down the road, but to each his own.

 

[warp9.9]

Carpenter kit raises torque above 2500-3000rpms compared to stock, turning the rocket into a sports bike eater if you use the revs available
Some prefer to power away from idle, that's not the quickest way down the road, but to each his own.

You would be right except it would seem Bob does not tune the low power because he is into racing. I suspect you could get more low end if you tune it and are willing to give up fuel mileage.