A Slight Problem

[warp9.9]

Hans, are they for a tyre off only repair? I have the black tacky rope, glue and 12v air compressor for my roadside emergency kit.

I did tire repair for years on construction vehicles to include truck, car, semi-tractor and trailers, 988 loaders and 35 yard rock wagons tires so large you could put a 6 foot step ladder inside towork off of. The plug patch type from the inside are great even though a steel belted cord can cut them the vulcanizing patch still holds. Now the little mushroom plug which can be installed from the outside IMHO is not as good as the fiberous stringy plugs which which will hold up to the steel belts and not get cut by the steel cords. Both will insert on the road side but without being able to buff, clean and stitch from the inside the mushroom plug can get cut fall out on the inside and your flat or loosing air again. I carry the string ones in all my vehicles large and small. One other thing I do noth like in the video or wonder about it the carbide burr on the drill. My thoughts are what is it doing to the steel cords that did not get cut or damaged? Just my opinion also if the mc tire has good tread and not a real large hole it can be damged further especially the bead when removing the tire from the rim. Not saying don't do it but is the price of a say Exedra Max that much to risk it? Car tires are a different ball game but repair well and lets face it are mostly on a vehicle with tree other wheels or more. If I was a member of the LBGTQ/DS community I would still use the string rope? A little humor there guys not meant to bunch anyones panties. Speaking of that my old boss would leave tbe shop whem I would break out the det. Cord to remove a tire from the bead and stay out until he heard me explode the tire back on the rim. If the tire was shot and off the heavy equipment I would just use a 690B track excavator to remove the rubber.

 

[warp9.9]

Also I should point out that I would not use the mushroom plugs over the stringy steel belted plugs in tires with balancing beads in them. IMHO they would interfere with the vulcanizing rubber and glue. Unless you are removing the tire so you can properly clean and prep the inside surface.

 

[EasTexRIII]

I did tire repair for years on construction vehicles to include truck, car, semi-tractor and trailers, 988 loaders and 35 yard rock wagons tires so large you could put a 6 foot step ladder inside towork off of. The plug patch type from the inside are great even though a steel belted cord can cut them the vulcanizing patch still holds. Now the little mushroom plug which can be installed from the outside IMHO is not as good as the fiberous stringy plugs which which will hold up to the steel belts and not get cut by the steel cords. Both will insert on the road side but without being able to buff, clean and stitch from the inside the mushroom plug can get cut fall out on the inside and your flat or loosing air again. I carry the string ones in all my vehicles large and small. One other thing I do noth like in the video or wonder about it the carbide burr on the drill. My thoughts are what is it doing to the steel cords that did not get cut or damaged? Just my opinion also if the mc tire has good tread and not a real large hole it can be damged further especially the bead when removing the tire from the rim. Not saying don't do it but is the price of a say Exedra Max that much to risk it? Car tires are a different ball game but repair well and lets face it are mostly on a vehicle with tree other wheels or more. If I was a member of the LBGTQ/DS community I would still use the string rope? A little humor there guys not meant to bunch anyones panties. Speaking of that my old boss would leave tbe shop whem I would break out the det. Cord to remove a tire from the bead and stay out until he heard me explode the tire back on the rim. If the tire was shot and off the heavy equipment I would just use a 690B track excavator to remove the rubber.

Thanks for that post Warp! Since I already ordered/received my new ExMax (or was it Ex-Lax?) I was not going to turn back from mounting it ASAP - I'm going to try the Ride On sealant/balancer per @R3Tex recommendation. I was kicking around doing the plug patch from the inside to re-use the tire when the new one wears out, but from what you said here, especially re: the cost of an ExMax ($162.88 + free shipping, no tax @ Rocky Mountian ATV.com) It's just not worth it to me either
BTW, what you said re: "Now the little mushroom plug which can be installed from the outside IMHO is not as good as the fiberous stringy plugs which which will hold up to the steel belts and not get cut by the steel cords" I have found, through experience to be also absolutely true as in the 3 times that I "picked up a screw" i used the 'plug n go" mushroom head plug which did the job for sure, but afterward when I checked them they had a slight leak still. I believe that is due to the fact that they are just a rubber plug (as far as I can tell) with a very thin film of lubricant on them to help push them through the installation tool. The film of lube coupled with not having any rubber cement or any other way to vulcanize them to the tire makes it impossible to completely seal off. So I treat them as a way to get home only product. Then when I got to work the next day I just easily push the plug through into the tire (I'm sure that helped with tire balance, doing that 3 times!) & re-plugged them with the old school fibrous stringy plugs that will actually vulcanize. BUT, the last hole was too big (again) & that was what I've had spit out of the tire twice
Therefore causing me to order the new ExMax.
Thanks for all the posts Captn's

 

[EasTexRIII]

Also I should point out that I would not use the mushroom plugs over the stringy steel belted plugs in tires with balancing beads in them. IMHO they would interfere with the vulcanizing rubber and glue. Unless you are removing the tire so you can properly clean and prep the inside surface.

You posted that whilst I was still typing.............. Yea, I had balance beads in when mushroom plugging. ****, now that I think about it, I wonder why I've not seen one single bead blow out of the holes when I pulled out the screws?
Hmmm, the third time when I flatted & found the hole, there was no screw, just the hole so beads prolly blew out as it was going down the road blowing air.

And I don't see any way that he mushroom plugs can vulcanize either per my post above

 

[Claviger]

So I submitted this to Avon about the Cobra, kind of nice to know, and haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else that its a dual compound hoop:


Subject:
Rocket III Tires

Message:
I ride a 2014 Rocket III Roadster. I am trying to decide on tires. I see the Goldwings Cobra is a triple compound tire. Is the 240/50R16 that fits the Rocket a single or multiple compound tire?
Also, between the 150/80VR17 and 140/75R17 fronts, is either one a multiple compound or are both single compound tires?

Thanks,
Rob
Subject:
Rocket III Tires


and got this back:

Thanks for the email,
The Cobras are all dual compound except for the 180/60R16 tire.

Thanks,
Josh Gabriel
Technical Support
Mickey Thompson, *****Cepek, Avon Tires North America.
Phone: 330-928-9092
Fax: 330-928-0503

 

[Claviger]

Double post.. I know, cardinal sin, but after reading through this thread a bit I thought I'd share something I recently saw about tire pressures.

Some of the track guys were discussing tire pressures and the increase from heat when riding above the static cold pressure. The tip they were all going by, was a 10% increase in hot temps over cold. So if you set it at 40 cold, it should be 44 when heated. Nothing magic about that, but the counter intuitive part was the method of controlling it was to raise pressure if the margin was greater than 10%, so if the same 40 cold resulted in 46 heated, they would raise it a pound or two and see if it kept it within 10%.

The general idea was that it keeps the contact patch shapes/areas similar cold and hot, and allows for best grip in all conditions.

Further, tire manufacturers set their "max inflation pressure" based on cold inflation numbers, but, they know it will go up during use. So as long as you're below the max they recommend when cold, don't stress the hot temp.