Woolich Racing one of Pros in tuning world has released product for Rocket 2.5

[OldBiker72]

Agree, and its the main reason I put on an aftermarket exhaust. I came from KTM 1290's, and was wondering/worried that the rocket wouldn't give me the increased acceleration thrills I was hoping for because of the weight. I think it makes a difference what bike you're coming off when you get a rocket. The weight takes away from the huge torque numbers you see in the rocket specs. I enjoyed the low end torque of the 1290, and thought the rocket would be torque nirvana. It does pull harder than the 1290, its just that the extra weight over the 1290 makes the difference a lot less. I think if you came from a Harley, for example, to a rocket, you'd be a lot happier with the difference.

100% with you! My KTM SuperDuke R 1290 has spoiled me... But one has to experience this before you can understand it!

 

[Journeyman]

I have not found that "noticeable" difference I expected... You talk about "feel" but do you have data (not butt data but dyno results)? With the map the torque improves very little (I think 2Nm) and the HP gain is from 165 to 180 which is marginal taking into account the static weight ... your main issue is still and remains power to weight. In theory you now have about 9% gain. The Rocket is just too heavy for what we expect from it....IMHO. Regards.

I have no statistical results- that would require a dyno and from my perspective- why? Those who know how to make sense of the fuel tables will surely chime in with data based evidence. I wonder if you successfully loaded that map.

 

[OldBiker72]

I have no statistical results- that would require a dyno and from my perspective- why? Those who know how to make sense of the fuel tables will surely chime in with data based evidence. I wonder if you successfully loaded that map.

Not my first map, not my first bike mapped, not my first time with TuneEcu. The map will not work without error codes if not succesfully loaded. I am very willing to share my map and very willing to learn. Regards.

 

[Journeyman]

Not my first map, not my first bike mapped, not my first time with TuneEcu. The map will not work without error codes if not succesfully loaded. I am very willing to share my map and very willing to learn. Regards.

I'm no expert on TuneECU and had trouble loading the Penner tune at first, so you could no doubt teach me there. Sounds like you got it and are simply unimpressed. For me it wasn't like when I rebuilt my Roadster with a Lush kit, but a no doubt about it change in performance in throttle response and grunt, but as they say, "your mileage may vary."

 

[Journeyman]

I have not found that "noticeable" difference I expected... You talk about "feel" but do you have data (not butt data but dyno results)? With the map the torque improves very little (I think 2Nm) and the HP gain is from 165 to 180 which is marginal taking into account the static weight ... your main issue is still and remains power to weight. In theory you now have about 9% gain. The Rocket is just too heavy for what we expect from it....IMHO. Regards.

This is regarding Penner's Tune
From @Neville Lush (see post #639)

Free unrestricted maps for Rocket R GT and TFC now online

I posted above two graphs from stock to tuned. Also noted various adjustments needed to Tal's dyno sheet. Where did you put that Neville?

www.r3owners.net

 

[OldBiker72]

From @Neville Lush (see post #639)

Free unrestricted maps for Rocket R GT and TFC now online

I posted above two graphs from stock to tuned. Also noted various adjustments needed to Tal's dyno sheet. Where did you put that Neville?

www.r3owners.net

Yep! Now again do the same math and see the power to weight ratio... and you still have a problem... I agree the map improved the overall performance as shown on the data sheet but to really make a noticeable difference you need much more hp to curb the 320kg weight of the Rocket! That is precisely why a super charger was developed for the Rocket. The maps, exhausts, etc. could only do so much and no more - the bike is heavy! So here is an example of the power to weight taken from the data in the Dyno graph you supplied: Before the map = 136hp (Power to weight = 136/320 = 0,425). After the map = 172hp (Power to weight = 172/320 = 0,537). To put this in perspective my KTM SDR 1290R weighs 195kg and delivers 188hp... Power to weight is 0,964. The magical number is 1:1. Weight is a problem!! Regards!

 

[Einar]

Yep! Now again do the same math and see the power to weight ratio... and you still have a problem... I agree the map improved the overall performance as shown on the data sheet but to really make a noticeable difference you need much more hp to curb the 320kg weight of the Rocket! That is precisely why a super charger was developed for the Rocket. The maps, exhausts, etc. could only do so much and no more - the bike is heavy! So here is an example of the power to weight taken from the data in the Dyno graph you supplied: Before the map = 136hp (Power to weight = 136/320 = 0,425). After the map = 172hp (Power to weight = 172/320 = 0,537). To put this in perspective my KTM SDR 1290R weighs 195kg and delivers 188hp... Power to weight is 0,964. The magical number is 1:1. Weight is a problem!! Regards!

With my body weight + gear, Werkes exhaust replacing the stock exhaust, and the Penner tune, the Rocket 3 has the same power:weight ratio as my Tiger 1200 GT Pro without bags. Slightly better, in fact. It's no slouch.

 

[Journeyman]

Yep! Now again do the same math and see the power to weight ratio... and you still have a problem... I agree the map improved the overall performance as shown on the data sheet but to really make a noticeable difference you need much more hp to curb the 320kg weight of the Rocket! That is precisely why a super charger was developed for the Rocket. The maps, exhausts, etc. could only do so much and no more - the bike is heavy! So here is an example of the power to weight taken from the data in the Dyno graph you supplied: Before the map = 136hp (Power to weight = 136/320 = 0,425). After the map = 172hp (Power to weight = 172/320 = 0,537). To put this in perspective my KTM SDR 1290R weighs 195kg and delivers 188hp... Power to weight is 0,964. The magical number is 1:1. Weight is a problem!! Regards!

Maps can only do so much- yes, of course.
No one is expecting super charger results, or even anywhere close, from a tune. What it does is successfully de-restrict all the already available power built-in to the Rocket

 

[2023R3GT]

Not my first map, not my first bike mapped, not my first time with TuneEcu. The map will not work without error codes if not succesfully loaded. I am very willing to share my map and very willing to learn. Regards.

please share your map, thank you.