Rocket R and Rocket GT video

[Kojack1970]

It's 165hp... Been shown a number of times.... It's not in the advertisement because they're not trying to sell the bike on hp, torque will be what sells the bike. Not much point in advertising a hp figure which is significantly less than any sportsbike less than half the cubic capacity. Does Harley advertise horsepower?

Harley never shows horsepower because they couldn’t complete if they did.

 

[Dr.D]

I agree, they're not selling it based on power, and certainly not hiding it, it's on the landing page at the Triumph site.

Yes.

Part of upcoming EURO standards, I can't remember if it's only a proposal or already in effect, is that the ECUs are locked.

Other recent Triumphs still don't have ECU access, 3+ years on.

Dynojet is getting on CARBs bad side too, all their new/upcoming devices have hard limitations programmed into them, I'm told by a local tuner.

It's going to need a standalone to control fuel and spark, in concert with the stock ECU to run all the electronics and safety things.

Not an easy proposition.

I bet the power difference between the TFC and the R/GT is literally only how far the throttle blades open when at full throttle on the grip.

It's a nice, pretty, defanged rocket that's more approachable and safer. It will appeal to a different crowd of riders.

I think you are correct the thisbike will appeal to a whole group of new Triumph owners. This older crowd here is not their market.

 

[3Katz]

I agree, they're not selling it based on power, and certainly not hiding it, it's on the landing page at the Triumph site.

Yes.

Part of upcoming EURO standards, I can't remember if it's only a proposal or already in effect, is that the ECUs are locked.

Other recent Triumphs still don't have ECU access, 3+ years on.

Dynojet is getting on CARBs bad side too, all their new/upcoming devices have hard limitations programmed into them, I'm told by a local tuner.

It's going to need a standalone to control fuel and spark, in concert with the stock ECU to run all the electronics and safety things.

Not an easy proposition.

I bet the power difference between the TFC and the R/GT is literally only how far the throttle blades open when at full throttle on the grip.

It's a nice, pretty, defanged rocket that's more approachable and safer. It will appeal to a different crowd of riders.

You hit the nail on the head, it is aimed at a different crowd than the current Rocket. Not that I wouldn't like one, I'd love one but I would have to wait to see what's available tuning wise. I won't be swapping my current 150hp for another one (albeit superior in every other way) at 150hp. Hmmm that's concerning that Dynojet is drawing attention and limiting their access as a result. I don't think it will take long until we see tuners able to provide some gains but it's not a huge volume bike so I guess we'll see. Either way another big torquey bike being available is only a good thing in my book.

 

[WyldCFH]

Older riders are never the market. Older riders retire and stop buying new bikes, or die. Manufacturers need to bring in younger riders, otherwise they sell nothing

 

[3Katz]

Older riders are never the market. Older riders retire and stop buying new bikes, or die. Manufacturers need to bring in younger riders, otherwise they sell nothing

I think you are right to a point. Your big BMW super tourers and the other battle ships out there with lounge chairs and stereos are probably aimed at the older market but they certainly don't sell like Gixxers or R1's that's for sure.

 

[Claviger]

Good point.

Despite a lot of negativity I may present about the new bike, I do like it and would have one happily.

Waiting on final US pricing to even begin thinking about buying one though.

19,500 gbp is what I've seen for the GT, or 23,600 USD converted straight over. To me, that's too much and I'd rather but an H2SX for that amount, superior Tourer in all measures except torque.

 

[1K9]

Good point.

Despite a lot of negativity I may present about the new bike, I do like it and would have one happily.

Waiting on final US pricing to even begin thinking about buying one though.

19,500 gbp is what I've seen for the GT, or 23,600 USD converted straight over. To me, that's too much and I'd rather but an H2SX for that amount, superior Tourer in all measures except torque.

I just have to sit up rather straight-up and have a torquey bike that drops the jaw of onlookers. This thing, bellow 20K, I'm in. It's just beautiful and it will smoke almost any bike out there.

I love it. R3-R plain Red with a little larger wind screen and a back rest so I don't fly of the back of the bike.

 

[3Katz]

Good point.

Despite a lot of negativity I may present about the new bike, I do like it and would have one happily.

Waiting on final US pricing to even begin thinking about buying one though.

19,500 gbp is what I've seen for the GT, or 23,600 USD converted straight over. To me, that's too much and I'd rather but an H2SX for that amount, superior Tourer in all measures except torque.

Ah yes the H2SX. In covering large distances quickly, curves included I imagine this would eat the new Rocket and spit out the pretty new chassis as bones. But it is a different class don't you think? I find it interesting that you'd be interested in the GT over the R but I guess you already have the Roadster riding position in you current bike. All parts are interchangeable and will available from Triumph (for a pretty sum I'm sure) to mix and match between the two anyway.

 

[idk]

Did anyone else notice that the peak torque is at 4,000rpm as opposed to 2,800rpm on the old motor?

 

[Claviger]

Did anyone else notice that the peak torque is at 4,000rpm as opposed to 2,800rpm on the old motor?

I noticed that, my suspicion is Triumph is artificially shaping the torque curve with the throttle by wire to make it more linear and they chose to have it peak there.

Similar to the RIII secondary and ignition limitations.

With the right exhaust and no resteictions the RIII peaks at about 3800 on a stock engine.