I just looked it up. This is in Ontario for what they call, "Distracted Driving". That includes cell phone use, programming GPS etc etc...

  • a fine of $400, plus a victim surcharge and court fee, for a total of $490 if settled out of court
  • fine of up to $1,000 if you receive a summons or fight your ticket
  • three demerit points applied to your driver’s record.

Like I said, even this doesn't work


On a side note, this is from the same source...

Police, emergency medical services personnel, firefighters and enforcement officers can also use hand-held devices and viewing display screens when performing their duties.

I almost got wiped the other day by a cop who was on the phone, just sayin'
Yes,they need to go nuts handing out those tickets instead of constantly raising taxes,would pay for alot. Ticketing the crap out of speeders in construction zones would be a giant cash cow as well,a few weeks ago,2 guys working on the highway got smoked IN THEIR LANE CLOSURE, 1 DEAD,OTHER CRITICALLY INJURED. Between texted, weed smoking drivers,impaired drivers and general overall unskilled drivers on the road,I ride like EVERYONE is going to cut me off or pull out in front of me.
 
Laws don't really work, though. By the time you get to the point of making laws to change how people behave, you've already failed in designing a workable system. It's basically the last resort when you can't fix the actual problem, you just forbid it because that's all you have left. Laws are better than no regulation at all, but you will never stop distracted driving with laws. People ignore them and think it doesn't apply to them, and enforcement is never going to be all that easy.

It has to be stopped with something like a mandatory function making phones shut down for everything except calling 911 as soon as they're moving over 10 mph on a public road. Talking on the phone, even with a headseat, is also distracted driving and shouldn't be possible either.

Real solutions to problematic behavior is to make the problematic behavior impossible, and you pretty much always can. It may just require radical solutions. For instance, preventing traffic accidents is easy. You just have to be ready to scrap all roads and build automated elevated maglev PRT systems instead. Accidents should be nearly zero, and everything would be faster and more convenient. But, as I said, you need to actually solve it with good technology and processes. Not just try to make a law that bans car accidents, or behavior leading to accidents. That will never work, and can never work, at best it can mildly mitigate the worst of it.
 
In the last month we have had at least five motorcycle fatalities here. An increase in many types of vehicle accidents as well. Two things stand out to me: texting/selfies while driving and road rage. Both have been on the upswing lately. Do we really need this much communication every minute of the day. And road rage: Are we so busy in our lives and in such a hurry to just slow down a bit and relax before getting into or on a vehicle/bike? On my daily commute to work I see many instances of this. I manage about 35 tractor trailers and straight trucks on my afternoon shift at work and many drivers report almost daily about some a** trying to cut them off. Not all of my drivers are saints either but we try to correct them when needed. When I drove I had plenty of fools try to cut off my tractor trailer. Some of those were bikes. Mainly ****** rockets and yes, those over the road riders on DP bikes, fully loaded down and zipping in and out of traffic. I dont think the Harley guys had enough power to overtake me....:whitstling:

Be safe out there and be aware of your surroundings at all times.
 
We need to pass laws limiting cell phone use while driving. Until it happens I see deaths continuing to rise.

We need a NATIONWIDE law that BANS the use of cell phones (and ALL use, not just texting) while driving, and it needs to be STRICTLY enforced...this is the only way roads will become safer for motorcyclists...
 
Between texted, weed smoking drivers,impaired drivers and general overall unskilled drivers on the road,I ride like EVERYONE is going to cut me off or pull out in front of me.

I've been riding like that for years. It's probably why I'm still alive. Now days the roads are dominated by the cell phone idiots...it seems no one can drive these days without a cell phone in their hand...if I see a driver with their hand held to their ear, their head bobbing up and down, or not using their turn signals, I know they're messing around with a cell phone and I get as far away from them as I can as quickly as possible...
 
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Laws don't really work, though. By the time you get to the point of making laws to change how people behave, you've already failed in designing a workable system. It's basically the last resort when you can't fix the actual problem, you just forbid it because that's all you have left. Laws are better than no regulation at all, but you will never stop distracted driving with laws. People ignore them and think it doesn't apply to them, and enforcement is never going to be all that easy.

It has to be stopped with something like a mandatory function making phones shut down for everything except calling 911 as soon as they're moving over 10 mph on a public road. Talking on the phone, even with a headseat, is also distracted driving and shouldn't be possible either.

Real solutions to problematic behavior is to make the problematic behavior impossible, and you pretty much always can. It may just require radical solutions. For instance, preventing traffic accidents is easy. You just have to be ready to scrap all roads and build automated elevated maglev PRT systems instead. Accidents should be nearly zero, and everything would be faster and more convenient. But, as I said, you need to actually solve it with good technology and processes. Not just try to make a law that bans car accidents, or behavior leading to accidents. That will never work, and can never work, at best it can mildly mitigate the worst of it.

Better yet, make cell phones so they won't work whenever you're in a vehicle and the ignition is on...there's no reason a cell phone must be used in a functional vehicle anyway...if a person wants to use one in a vehicle, park in a safe place and turn the engine off.
 
Better yet, make cell phones so they won't work whenever you're in a vehicle and the ignition is on...there's no reason to use a cell phone in a functional vehicle anyway...if a person wants to use one in a vehicle, park in a safe place and turn the engine off.

What about the passenger using a phone?
 
We have enough laws telling us tax paying citizens what to do. I can see another thing happening in our society and that is telling people how to THINK. If you don't think the same way as others then you are STUPID and your thoughts don't count.
If your worried about dyeing dont ride a motorcycle on the street.
 
What about the passenger using a phone?

I've had that question asked before. This is where we use common sense prioritizing. Would it be more important to keep the roads safer by disallowing the use of of cell phones in a moving vehicle altogether, or do we not disallow anything because a passenger in the vehicle would not be able to use their phone in a moving vehicle? I can already hear the whiny crybabies clamoring that one of their freedoms has been taken away because they can't use their phone as a passenger in a vehicle. Oh well, tough titty. They can blame it on the idiots who don't have enough common sense NOT to use their phones while they're driving, which brought on the ban in the first place. If people had enough sense to do the right thing without having things like this forced upon them, there would be no reason to take such actions, but so many people these days think they have the right to do whatever they feel like doing, laws, safety, and common sense be dammed...
 
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