Ygransom
Turbocharged
the relays them self's r basically the same
it is the way they r wired in the vehicle that changes the way they work
Not quite, there are relays that in the non-energised state are an open circuit and relays that are a closed circuit. Have to have correct relay and correct wirering. In first case OP mentions - lights always on, either relay diesndo work or is miswired. In second case it is working backwards, on to start & off when running - sounds like circuit correct, wrong type of relay.