thanks for the tips, had my sweetie hold the axle with a large philips screwdriver, so there wasn't much slop, she centered it as best as possible and I was able to push the axle in easily. I had tried doing this myself previously, just couldn't get it started. it didn't take a minute when she helped. It had to with the entry allignment on the feed side. even without the tire in place the alignment was tight, speading the clamp I'm sure would have helped, didn't think of that at the time.
thanks again
Hoople