albertaduke

former airline pilot without the big bucks
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those who have seen and heard these pipes on the
YouTube - TRIUMPH ROCKET 3?ROCKET??MOTORCYCLE?2,300CC

I found the manufacturer
HEAT MAGIC in japan I wrote to them (in japanese) yeah right !! to find if it was a one off project
great sound and based on what they do probably great flow as well,
I wonder how many pints of blood it will take to buy these pipes
 
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my my..different opinions I guess ..I do not particularly like the looks and surely atrociously expensive if made from titanium as claimed and moneymium..but certainly flowing better than anything else considering what they do with other very pricey vehicles but they sound just right!!
 
i seriously doubt those tubes and collector are titanium.. you would use 321 ss not titanium. here's an idea of what it takes to properly weld titanium.. and yep ive tried it.. it's not easy

Where do you begin to make good gas tungsten arc welds? Titanium is a reactive metal that forms compounds with less than optimum properties. Heated in air, the part surface contains brittle carbides, nitrides, and oxides, each of which can reduce the fatigue resistance and notch toughness of the weld and heat-affected zone (HAZ). Not only do you need to protect the surface being welded, you also need to protect the back side of the weld, which is just as sensitive.
Copper purge fixtures direct the argon over the surface of the part. Copper or aluminum purges that have not been hard-nickel-plated to prevent metal scuffing can allow localized alloying on the surface of titanium parts.
Chlorine from the perspiration on your hands can create localized corrosion. "White-glove" treatments are not just a sign of quality in welding titanium; using lint-free gloves after the final cleaning before welding may be necessary for the highest-quality welds.
Any time the metal reaches a temperature of 900 to 1,000 degrees F, brittle oxygen-stabilized alpha phase (or α-case) can form not only on the weld surface and its back side, but also on grinding tools2. Frictional heat, especially from aluminum oxide (Al2O3) wheels, can create high enough temperatures to embrittle the surface. Carbide-grit wheels are better because they have no aluminum to contaminate the weld. A gentle touch is best, because titanium has a low thermal conductivity and needs to be kept below the 500 degree F mark, where scaling begins.
Weld Preparation
Weld preparation should include removing any oil, grease, dirt, or grinding dust from the surfaces to be joined. Steam cleaning or an alkali dip in a dilute solution of sodium hydroxide can remove most of these contaminants. To remove the last remaining organic compounds just before welding, use a lint-free glove and methyl alcohol, acetone, or other chlorine-free solvent. Because most of these solvents have a low flash point, be sure they have fully evaporated before striking an arc.
On the most critical parts, using a small hot-air blower (hair dryer-style) to warm the part slightly ensures no moisture has condensed on the surface to be welded. Don't overlook the fact that rubber gloves may contain chlorine as part of a vulcanizing process. Plastic gloves are recommended.
Pure Argon Applied Correctly
The argon must be 99.999 percent pure. Even if the argon is as pure as the 50 parts-per-million (PPM) range (99.995 percent), some yellow-straw discoloration can result. Many shops strive to maintain a 10-PPM contamination level during welding. If the color begins to mottle, or if it exhibits any hint of blue, the argon isn't pure enough, or you're not applying it correctly. Start the argon gas flowing for several seconds before using the high-frequency start. If you have enough shielding and the argon is being dispersed evenly over the part, you should see a uniform color.
Mottled or swirl patterns usually indicate too much argon is flowing (see Figure 1). Argon's density is greater than air, so it tends to flow over the surface of a part in the same way water does. Where eddies occur, air can become mixed with the argon cover gas and create swirl patterns.

Figure 1
What really separates titanium welding from most other types of GTAW is the need for an argon cover on the weld's back side. Wherever the titanium is heated, brittle alpha-case can form. For very complex parts with interior passages or parts that require a lot of welding repairs, glove boxes may offer an economical answer. For parts too large to fit through the glove box, special flexible polyethylene plastic bags, complete with attached gloves, can be used. Use a purge monitor to see when the bag contains clean-enough argon, strike an arc, and weld away. Working in airtight gloves, especially for extended periods, can be hot, but doing so is part of the challenge of working with titanium.
 
basicly, if you heat up one side of the titanium to weld it without having an inert gas surounding the titanium, the titanium will react with oxygen in the air to form a brittle oxide on that side. and this oxide is just like rust. it will not take any stress or pressure, so once you go to use the pipes, you have yourself holes opening up in the otherwise solid looking pipe.
not to mention, your weld will not be a very good one with all the bad particles forming inside the weld, so after a little bit of time, your weld will come apart. makes for bad pipes when that happens.
 
and that is why I got this response




Thank you for your inquiry.
Unfortunately the Triumph rocket 3 exhaust is one-off custom made exhaust.
We need the motorcycle to make sure exact fit.

Regards,
Taka Ohnishi


so you can ship your bike there for three month and it come back with a one of a kind exhaust system
 
love the sound! best Ive heard yet! wish someone would make a 3 into 1 that sounds like that! I emailed thunderheader, they said they were not interested in making one at this time!
 
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