More to the Story, and someone died

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  1. Claviger

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    So recently in the PNW, a female rider shot and killed a man in a freeway shooting incident. There's more to the story than is being told publicly so allow me to paint for you a picture:

    1 dead after I-5 road rage shooting, State Patrol says

    That's all I've seen in the media, and various flavors of the same information.

    The young lady in question is small, I've seen pictures of her, she appears to be about 120lb. So, petite. I have no idea what actions led up to the event, but, she stopped in the HOV lane (express lane) because traffic stopped. The driver pulled up on her left between her bike and the retaining wall using the tiny emergency lane. He exited his vehicle and words were exchanged. He attacked her, ultimately ending up with her being choked out on the ground about to pass out when she finally pulled the trigger.

    No criminal charges being filed. In this case, I personally don't think any are warranted. I can imagine what I could do to a woman 100lb lighter than me if I was enraged, so I would absolutely support the argument that she perceived a real and deadly threat to her person, despite the man being unarmed. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that when angry most men are very capable of doing absolutely devastating damage to a little woman.

    This makes me so ****ing furious, I physically react thinking about it and typing this, at the piece of **** that he is for attacking a little female. Body literally dumps adrenaline thinking about it. I hope I come across a scenario like this someday so I can stop a young lady from having to live with killing someone, I am absolutely blown away, that NO ONE came to her aid as it escalated until right before she shot him, at which point it was too late.

    If this pisses you off, and you've a few dollars/quid to donate, please help fund her legal defense of the upcoming civil suite she may face. I'm linking her go fund me below.

    Click here to support Aubrey Taylers Legal Fund organized by Bria Lund


    I know, I know, "she must have done something rude" to incite this right? Well, just today on the way home, I' riding between 70-75 mph, normal for traffic on my road, not weaving, doing nothing wrong, and some old man absolutely lost his **** point and yelling at me from inside his car as I passed him. I didn't get close, I didn't rev, I didn't split lanes, I used blinkers, I wasn't tailgating, so NO, she didn't necessarily do anything wrong, I saw proof of that today. The difference, I'm a tall guy, on an intimidating bike, people would rather run than stop next to me and pick a (losing) fight.

    Sorry if this is a little emotional, but dudes beating on little women really fires me up.
     
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    Interesting.
    I suggest waiting for all the facts to emerge.
    I was told by an inside source that the motor was weaving traffic at a high rate. When she swerved around the elderly man & wife, she struck the side mirror and went down in front of the man. Man stopped & went to give aid. She precipiated an argument which resulted a physical engagement. I do not know started the physical fight. This also explains why both vehicles were still in the fast lane. I do not think this was two drivers pulling over to settle some road rage.
     
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    Somewhere in the middle I expect lies the truth, as usual :p Curious though, how wildly different the two descriptions are of what happened, probably not uncommon in such situations.
     
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    There are only FACTS - Truth is always an interpretation. And usually 3rd party. Seldom actually means anything afterwards.
     
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    Isn't that the truth! In an American court, facts are next to meaningless if you've a good lawyer :p
     
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    I deliberately did not actually say that.

    I am not a lawyer and my only knowledge of US procedure is based on TV. But that's 100% the vision we are given here.

    IMO - she should be tried before her peers. A death occurred. Let her peers decide. And let that be the end of the matter.
    Legal process should not depend on the % chance of conviction or aquittal.

    Civil suits are just about money and there is no decency involved. EVER!.
    I am lucky enough to have a lawyer who can be GROSSLY INDECENT on my behalf.
     
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    I love this.
     
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    So did I. I have a "team".

    She took about 10s to the blast the legal team from a US Fortune50.

    In my presence she called at a pre-arranged hour. Said (in Spanish) - "Hello my name is <> - What are you doing to my friend, Chris?"
    Then covered the mouthpiece and counted down from 10. At Zero she mouthed the words to me "We've Won". She was not wrong.

    She did nothing more - all the rest was done by her partner who is also a lawyer - specialist in EU law.
    He too was brilliant - watched him corner - bare teeth and rip throats.
    After her call it was only about how much they were going to lose.
    We had until 3PM to resolve due to TAX law. Was resolved at a quarter too and our bank stayed open to process it all for us.

    At the time it was nerve wracking - I could not have done it - but is was a wonder to watch.
     
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    There was a downside.

    As part of the "agreement" both sides had to agree to NEVER contact directly or indirectly each other globally. Under threat of administrative prosecution.
    As a result some friends still there were put under extreme pressure and we lost contact too.
     
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    Thankfully it doesn't work the same in the US as it does in Europe. Just because a death occurs does not mean someone is going to be charged. If the investigation determines that it was justifiable, that the shooter feared for his/her life, charges probably won't be filed. States approach it differently though. In North Carolina you must prove that you tried to avoid the confrontation, that is, you attempted to yield. In Virginia you do not but rather can stand your ground.

    One of the things that bothered me about getting a concealed carry permit in here in Washington was that no training was required or information given. In Wisconsin one takes both a practical and legal course and gets a very good legal reference book. I did not have to take any training in Virginia because I was military but I thought it to be prudent to the legal course though and was glad I did.

    You know Steve, but that version you've heard doesn't even make any sense to me. He stopped to give her aid with she starting an argument and then she shooting him?

    I'm with Rob though, a man punching a little lady deserves a good wood shampoo with a Louisville Slugger.
     
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