Exhaust setup and tune questions

[BigBlockRocket]

Tex, I'm not really looking for THAT much performance. I've done some research on the carpenter builds and yeah...that's not only more than I want, it's really pricey. The R3R is already a beast stock. I just want to do a moderate upgrade to improve the sound and give her little more zip n zoom. I've got some Harley friends to attend to when I get the build done and roll her out into the mean streets.

Still looking for more info on my initial post question too peeps...when ya get the chance!

 

[R3Tex]

I know I' catch $hit for this but here goes...

My own research has led me to believe that from a performance perspective US manufactured aftermarket pipes rate as follows:

1.) Carpenter Racing
2.) Jardine Rumblers (full system)
3.) TORs

From an aesthetic perspective they would rate as follows:

1.) Jardine Rumblers
2.) TORs
3.) Carpenter Racing

Not that there is anything wrong with the look of any of the exhaust systems, just my preference. The Reband system (Oz Manufactured) would fall in the same category as Carpenter IMHO. I prefer a stock-ish look and moving from a 3-1-2 system to a 3-1 system significantly changes the look of the bike for me.

 

[R3Tex]

By the by...you can take care of your Harley friends by just filling it up with gas and giving them a call

 

[BigBlockRocket]

Ha! Good one. I'll keep that in mind.

 

[cardinal93]

Aha! I'll have new space under the seat then. Might make me a mini beer cooler in there.

From what I understand, they will roll the Jardines in the financing BUT...although I know I'll get the best performance gains with the Jardines, I've heard them on YouTube (and seen posts here) and they seem to be quite loud. I do want more grunt from stock but I don't want it too obnoxious. I might be overstating this since I haven't heard them "live". Plus, I think the Tors are about $500 and the jars run about $1400. I'm not sure if the performance gains with the Jars (and the noise) is worth the $900 difference(?). The dealer won't do any PC5 or similar type maps (just the modded TORs mapping) so they won't roll it into the financing but they recommend me to a local race shop that does this kind of work. The shop has a dyno and uses PC5. I found PC5 for about $370 online and will have to pay them probably around $250-300 for the mapping and dyno testing (if all goes smoothly). These costs will come out of my pocket. However, from what I've read here on the forums, I can get TuneECU for free, buy the $20 cable, and talk to some kind members about getting a map for either setup (triples and the TORs or Jardines). I'm computer literate but I've never used the software or worked on a bike in this manner, particularly on a brand new one I just dropped a boat-load of money on. I sure don't want to screw it up right off the bat. Though saving the cost for PC5 is a good thing, I'm also assuming I can't get the dyno done there since they use PC5 and they couldn't tweak the TuneECU mapping based on the dyno tests. And I keep hearing that with a mod like I'm doing...dyno testing is really a good idea.

I'm trying to sort it all out in my head and my wallet to see which way will be the best all-round direction to go.

I'm still learning right along with you
The Jars are available on Amazon (depending on model for between $965-1100) and with them you get to get rid of the silly box! Like others said though, most of them are back-ordered right now. As for the volume, I'm living in Germany and getting ready to put them on, so if they're too loud, I'll let you know how I figure out how to baffle them to get through TUV (inspection).
As for the TuneEcu, just made my first go at it (with a tune from a very generous member!). I gotta say, it was too much worry over very little. Of course, I didn't play with the tune, just installed what I was graciously sent. There are tunes for the Jars and K&Ns, but double check, because there are some restrictions with the 2013 Roadsters from what I've seen/heard on here.
As for the PCV, I've found those for around $295 as well, but if you're throwing that on, get and AutoTuner too (about same price).
My understanding is you can still Dyno the bike
There's a lot more wisdom on here than me though, and I'm sure you'll get lots of help as I know I have No matter what you do, it will definitely squeeze the wallet a bit

 

[69birdflu]

Buying Stuff

Just as you stated, your budget will dictate your purchases.
I found a set of TORS on ebay for $75.00. Also purchased a Dubeck TFI controller for $125.00. Then I had the bike reprogrammed at Triumph for $45.00. The reprogram was a big difference.

My advise take your time, enjoy the bike and get to know it. Then you will feel changes as you upgrade.

As you said there is a lot of great advise of this site.

 

[TOMCAT]

Ha! Good one. I'll keep that in mind.

I'm guessin from the paramilitary rodent you have as an avatar .. you are from the States .. yeh ? Anyway Welcome from one of the Aussies .

 

[BigBlockRocket]

Thanks for all the replies gentlemen.

I know my budget will be dictating what I do (as it always does in any area of life) but I'm still just doing some research to get better handle on the whole R3R world. TuneECU is obviously much cheaper and I can prolly do it myself so it's a very viable option no doubt but it's harder to find a dyno crew that uses it. I would like to have it on the dyno to make final tweaks and get her running like a scalded ape so we'll see. Heck, I might do the TuneECU customs maps and the little girl just blows me away. It will probably be the case. I'd guess a very large part of the performance gains in these situations come from the right mapping. The rest is just fine tuning and tweaking the few percent out of the motor. The dyno also kinda finalizes the process since you can actually see what the motor is doing rather than only going on feel. I may not even be need a dyno though...who knows?

Tex, I think you're dead on with the performance ratings since virtually all the data I've been seeing supports it. The aesthetic side of course is subjective. For instance, I personally like the look of the TORs the best though they have the weakest performance gains of the three. but they're also the cheapest. The old saying "you get what you pay for" rings true once again.

I'll have to keep an out on Ebay as well. That will change the whole ball-game if I can locate cheaper pricing. I'm taking my time though and may very well hold off until I get some miles and smiles under my belt off the showroom floor.

Oh yeah Tomcat...I'm a Yank alright. Born n raised in the Love Star State! You like my furry special forces mascot do ya? He may be wee small but he's a vigilant little fella AND he's got a bazooka!

 

[joey fletcher]

OK.....I will try again....LOL

Get the Rocket and Ride it like you stole it.....

See how big your .........are They might not be as big as you think they are

I don't think you want to be paying intrest on $2000.00 worth of goodies. That can come later

But...if you insist....Jardines are worth the money....even the poor quality ones I got last year...They are not to loud with the baffles in....**** loud with them out.

Remove the secondarys if the Roadster still has them

Flips filter kits are awesome...then a ecu tune

Anything above that......Carpender Racing

And if there is still room in your pants and wallet...a Supercharger to the Carpender kit..

 

[BigBlockRocket]

Thanks for the advice Joey. I'll certainly keep that in mind. Money will be the initial determining factor on what I end up financing. My danglin' Joeys seem pretty hefty but I'm quite close to them all the time so my vision could be off. I've done plenty of racing in my day (though it was all motocross) and I've have some decent time on the hard stuff too so I'm no stranger to roaring ponies in my right hand. I'm no Kevin Carmichael but I'm no dandy boy either. BUT...I do know the beast is not to be taken lightly out of the box. She has the street cred and I respect it so I'll definitely take your advice under consideration...and I truly thank you for it brutha.

Three quick questions though:
1. Regarding removing the secondaries. Won't that possibly void my warranty?
2. If I go with the TORS (I'll prolly do the filters either way), what is the procedure with the collector? Leave it or no?
3. Whether I go with the Jars or TORs, would you recommend a dyno? I know it's preferable but I'm asking if you think it's really advised or not particularly necessary.

Thanks again mate.