I have ordered a DS tire off ebay , same one Hanso uses , price of tire once fitted will be $235 , thats a saving of $145 for me on a original brand bike tire . Im not getting caught up in the bull**** argument here , only way to find out if ds suits my day to day needs is take the plunge and try it , im fking sick and tired of pulling steel out of my soft original tire , now has 3 plugs in it with 12k klms on the clock............