Fuel Tank Capacity.

Well yes - but is that how the 23.5Litres is specc'd - or is it when it's on the level.

I doubt we can ever know that - and whether that is a 'real' number anyway to whatever reference they might be suggesting.

Known SAFE range is my driving force. The other day I felt obliged to stop only 25kms from home - simply because I had NO idea how much was left. The light had come on at about 220 and I'd done 30kms after.

So again, with FuelBot, whatever the maximum fuel you ever manage to squeeze in there, to use as the overall capacity, you will be confident in consistently being able to reach that zero point.

This is why I was tempted to run the Fuelbot from a GPS speed sensor.
It doesn't need a GPS to predict with any more accuracy than the std speed sender - although the speed indicated is quite optimistic, the odo should be quite accurate.
However you can choose to calibrate the distance against your gps or simply the OEM odo - whichever you use it will predict the remaining range based against that reference. The best reference is volume remaining - range remaining will vary based on current consumption rate but capacity will be whatever it is.
If you calibrate the distance part against your OEM odo, then the range remaining predictor will be as accurate as that reference.
One interesting thing is that I have a speed healer device for my speedo; so while it now gives accurate speed, my odo is about 9% low.
However I can calibrate the FuelBot odo to reflect the REAL odo rate;
so over 100 miles, while my speedo says it is only 91, my FuelBot actually says 100.
And it doesn't matter whether I source the signal BEFORE or AFTER the healer device, I can still calibrate the FuelBot odo to be accurate.

With the R3's Keihin ECU, you can actually make the correction to the OEM speedo display using TuneECU
Note that if you calibrated the FuelBot initially, prior to a TuneECU correction factor, the two would now be different and the Fuelbot would retain its original calibration and read accurately while the Speedo would be low if it was calibrated to match GPS speed.


I think I will have to do a "run 'til it splutters" ride - with a 10L can of fuel handy.

For most us, we will probably be content to use the factory stated capacity or have a SMALL reserve beyond the nominal stated spec capacity. (Although I think generally the stated volume is low already with respect to the actual volume to the neck, so you already in essence have a small reserve by entering the factory spec number)
But if you want it super-accurate down to the 100mLs (or less!) then read on

What you could do is - put in a higher than actual capacity (let's say 30L) - run it to splutter as you suggest - put 10L in BUT DO NOT RESET IT; however note the capacity it currently states has been consumed
then regardless of how far you need to go to the gas station, you have four references
1. The 'used' capacity it had consumed to the splutter point
2. The 10L added
3. The volume consumed between the splutter point and the gas station refill
4. The new volume to fill the tank

From 4, you then deduce what the net fill from zero would have been - this is the new fill PLUS the 10L MINUS that consumed between filling the 10L and reaching the gas station

That new number should also equal that from '1'

Example
Note that you should first do the std consumption rate cal at whatever volume you elected to put in there initally; so that part is already established;
then to get accurate tank 'volume';
Start with your tank filled to whatever your preferred full reference level on sidestand might be;
Set tank volume to 30L;
Reset to zero/full;
Run to splutter (let's just say it indicates you have USED 25.6L so it will also say you have 4.4 left) (you can call it done here and just restate your tank volume as 25.6)
Additional check
At that splutter point fill 10L
continue to gas station where it now shows consumed amount is 27.9 - which means you used a further (27.9-25.6) 2.3 L since your splutter stop/10L fill
You then fill tank to the same reference as before and it should take 17.9L
17.9 plus [10 minus (27.9-25.6)] = 25.6
So now you have TWO checks that say your tank capacity is 25.6L from your full reference to splutter.
 
I doubt we can ever know that - and whether that is a 'real' number anyway to whatever reference they might be suggesting.
Drain tank - remove pump etc - thoroughly dry. And fill to brim (where ever) using a measuring cylinder. - No I will not be doing so. But run to splutter could be doable.

GPS would avoid recalibration for tyre changes etc - but itś hardly a BIG hassle. Now if it used DEAD RECKONING - i.e. speed pulses and GPS so that the pulse/km is constantly calibrated - wouldn´t that be something. Yes - expensive - I know.
 
Std/Classic have 25L tank (6.6 US gals)
Roadster has 23.5L tank (6.21 US gals)
Touring has 22.3L tank (5.89 US gals)

To convert to US gals - Liters to US Gallons (Liquid) conversion
(note that you will need to change the format field to decimal and accuracy setting to three significant figures)

Note that the User manual recommends filling to the bottom of the filler neck - you can also use this as your reference level for before and after fill point points - as long as you use the same reference for both, when you do your calculation.
(I would imagine that is why the manual stated volume is a bit less than the 'actual' volume when filled to the top of the neck)

Does anyone do this? I always fill it to the absolute :D

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My 2015 Roadster takes 6.30 US Gallons to the bottom of the filler basket, sitting on the side stand, on level ground.
It takes 6.45 US Gallons to top of the filler neck, when holding the bike vertical.
The yellow "low fuel" light comes on with about 2.0 US Gallons remaining.
When the "miles to empty" jumps from 15 to zero, there is about 1.0 US Gallon remaining.
 
Drain tank - remove pump etc - thoroughly dry. And fill to brim (where ever) using a measuring cylinder. - No I will not be doing so.

Rather than thoroughly dry, it would actually be better, per one of earlier questions, to find out at what volume it can no longer access with the pump pick-up; to that end disconnect fuel hose and run pump (use tuneecu to turn it on) to evacuate to that level where it no longer picks up (bike needs to be vertical of course); you could of course just run it low before you 'pump' the remainder (or alternatively siphon most of it)
So then your measured refill will reflect the usable volume rather than complete volume.
 
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"Useable volume" is EXACTLY what one finds in the manuals for airplanes. After that, the plane is going land -- somewhere - somehow. Focuses the mind.:thumbsup:
 
Rather than thoroughly dry, it would actually be better, per one of earlier questions, to find out at what volume it can longer access with the pump pick-up; to that end disconnect fuel hose and run pump (use tuneecu to turn it on) to evacuate to that level where it no longer picks up (bike needs to be vertical of course); you could of course just run it low before you 'pump' the remainder (or alternatively siphon most of it)
So then your measured refill will reflect the usable volume rather than complete volume.
Now that is not a bad idea. Maybe when I have the forks out for the Maxton conversion . Hmmmm - thanks Ken.
 
Well yes - but is that how the 23.5Litres is specc'd - or is it when it's on the level.

Known SAFE range is my driving force. The other day I felt obliged to stop only 25kms from home - simply because I had NO idea how much was left. The light had come on at about 220 and I'd done 30kms after.

As it was, I put 18.36L in. had done 249.8 ODO kms - but with an E-Max which is taller geared so actually had done about 3.5% more kms than I would have on (say) a ME880. It equates to about 7L/100kms once corrected. Which is OK.
This is why I was tempted to run the Fuelbot from a GPS speed sensor.

I think I will have to do a "run 'til it splutters" ride - with a 10L can of fuel handy.

If using Imperial (UK) 1 gallon = 4.54 litres (US 1 gallon = 3.79 litres) and 1 mile is 1.6093 km.

249.80 / 18.36 = 13.61 km per litre x 1.035 tyre correction = 14.09 x 4.54 = 63.95 km per Imp. gal / 1.6093 = 39.74 Imp mpg.(33.18 US mpg)

7L/100km = 14.29 km per litre x 4.54 = 64.86 km per gal / 1.6093 = 40.30 Imp mpg (33.64 US mpg)

I have a heavy load all the time (me and luggage), Roadster screen + extensions/lowers etc and mods like loud free breathing cans, CES headers, RamAir and HansO tune without a Fuelbot or working fuel gauge (as in my R3R) and just a fuel warning light that appears after 150 - 200km. I tend to fill up as soon as practicable after the warning light appears and with bike on sidestand fill up to the brim.

I use an estimate of 8L/100 km which is 35.26Imp mpg (29.44 US mpg) which is close to my very gentle, leisurely 210km for 16 litres the other day on undulating and hilly curvy country backroads with a fair bit of gear changing. I would expect the 7L/100 km on freeway type running.

While on the topic of fuel use, the owners handbook lists 91ULP and as I understand it our HansO and Tune ECU tunes do not change ignition advance, just increase fuel, so is using 95 or 98ULP as I do, a waste of time and isn't E10 ULP with ethanol a higher octane (92-93) than 91ULP? 95/98ULP is about 10/15% dearer than 91ULP here.

I bought a couple of these 2 litre tanks the other day to play with and they look like they will bolt up to the top of the rear tipover bars or to allow a gravity feed to the main tank when required, the lid of my top box.
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Rather than thoroughly dry, it would actually be better, per one of earlier questions, to find out at what volume it can no longer access with the pump pick-up; to that end disconnect fuel hose and run pump (use tuneecu to turn it on) to evacuate to that level where it no longer picks up (bike needs to be vertical of course); you could of course just run it low before you 'pump' the remainder (or alternatively siphon most of it)
So then your measured refill will reflect the usable volume rather than complete volume.
DEcosse, the numbers I gave were usable volumes, not measured from an empty tank. I rode the bike until the fuel ran out, then measured how much could be put in.
 
I use an estimate of 8L/100 km which is 35.26Imp mpg (29.44 US mpg) which is close to my very gentle, leisurely 210km for 16 litres the other day on undulating and hilly curvy country backroads with a fair bit of gear changing. I would expect the 7L/100 km on freeway type running.
ime over the last 3 weeks - Freeway at moderately high speed closer to 7.5L/100kms. Freeway LEGAL - just under 7L depending on angle of ascent/decent. On Northern UK roads - closer to 8.3L/100. In road works - best not to know.
 
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