Carpenter vs Supercharger vs Turbo

[Loonitick]

no the 240 kit can be done in the bike including changing the pistons. And yes 87 octane works great.

What is this 87 octane you speak of? We can't get lower than 95 over here. Gas stations generally have 95 and 98/99. May explain some of the difference in price too...

 

[warp9.9]

What is this 87 octane you speak of? We can't get lower than 95 over here. Gas stations generally have 95 and 98/99. May explain some of the difference in price too...

Its the USA measurement so my bet is its like your low grade 95 octane.

My point here was one of the advantages of staying with a NA motor is the fact that no matter what octane is available you can fill up. This is especially important when your out in the booney's and the question becomes is that the high octane fuel they have in the tank and if so how long has it been in there.

 

[Loonitick]

Aye, know that problem. One of my cars hates running on anything less than 97, the other will run on anything from 75 upwards.

Keeping your engines so they can run on whatever you can guarantee the stations have is a great advantage.

 

[cr0ft]

Octane is actually written in at least three different ways, RON, MON and AKI I think... hang on, Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

 

[idk]

So I did some reading on the Lush parts.

Obviously a good bit cheaper than the carpenter kit.

Some questions though. He said his kit runs on 95 or 98 Australian rated fuel. What's the U.S. Equivalent? Also since his is tuned in the lower revs would I still be able to embarrass the occasional sport bike or am I going to need the carpenter revs for that?

You will be able to embarrass the sport bikes from the lights with a stock R3, anything else is bonus.

America uses a different fuel rating system than most of the rest of the world. The chart in @cr0ft's link shows the difference.

 

[Nick Edge]

Ok so it looks like his suggestion is the equivalent of at least mid grade

How well would a Lush or Carpenter bike hold its own when actually moving?

 

[idk]

Ok so it looks like his suggestion is the equivalent of at least mid grade

How well would a Lush or Carpenter bike hold its own when actually moving?

The stock R3 will do 0-60mph in 3.1 seconds, according to some of the early road test reports (some even said lower than that). That is with about 120-130 hp at the rear wheel - the 140 or 150 hp claimed by Triumph is at the fly wheel. Now add some pipes, air filters, and some of Nev's stuff and get around 180 or 190 hp at the rear wheel and figure out if you will be able to hang on.

The beauty of Nev's stuff is that it is in the normal range of revs that the bike was designed to run on. i.e. there is a lot more torque where you use it. Carpenter stuff seems to be aimed at power in high revs - up to 9,000rpm. There are very few roads in the USA where you could legally hit 9,000 rpm in 1st gear, and none that I know of where you could use it in 2nd. Those sort of revs may be good on a race track, but if I were racing then I would probably pick another bike to do it on.

 

[cr0ft]

There are very few roads in the USA where you could legally hit 9,000 rpm in 1st gear

Yeah, lots of power is fun, but speeding in utterly insane ways really isn't. Well, it's fun to do, but it's hugely illegal for a reason - there are other people on the road that can die from hotdogging riders. To say nothing of the rider. Sure, you can take it to a dragstrip, but lots of riders will use it on the road and do triple digits, and that's just dangerous. A 800-900 lb bike and a few hundred lb worth of rider kan kill with consummate ease if it hits a human. Having the power lower down is probably better for road use.

 

[warp9.9]

Typical statements from Pre Warp Drive Civilizations

No worries there is always the slow lane

 

[IMFASTTOO]

The stock R3 will do 0-60mph in 3.1 seconds, according to some of the early road test reports (some even said lower than that). That is with about 120-130 hp at the rear wheel - the 140 or 150 hp claimed by Triumph is at the fly wheel. Now add some pipes, air filters, and some of Nev's stuff and get around 180 or 190 hp at the rear wheel and figure out if you will be able to hang on.

The beauty of Nev's stuff is that it is in the normal range of revs that the bike was designed to run on. i.e. there is a lot more torque where you use it. Carpenter stuff seems to be aimed at power in high revs - up to 9,000rpm. There are very few roads in the USA where you could legally hit 9,000 rpm in 1st gear, and none that I know of where you could use it in 2nd. Those sort of revs may be good on a race track, but if I were racing then I would probably pick another bike to do it on.

YEP if your not interested in anymore power leave the bike stock as they are fast enough and even little 250cc scooters will break the speed limit