Braking during cornering

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@Claviger Rob,
Correctamundo regarding slight use of the rear brake. That will set up your front end to help resist dive.
I would say use of the front brake for trail braking needs to be more judicious a company with more practice and more skill. More times than not I trail brake using only the rear.
Entering too hot at the last minute requires use of both brakes at threshold while maintaining your bike upright.

Brake hard before leaning. Let the front brake go and then lean keeping the rear ON. This also helps me keep my right foot tucked to the bike. I tend to lead with my foot out. 1rst or 2nd gear with some throttle ON.

Have made the mistake of pulling the clutch while leaning. The bike wants to straighten up. . It likes to be powered to turn right. (That's when it was going to 2000 rpm on its own.) Once I see a clear coast ahead I can throttle up and release the rear brake. This works for my novice rider skill level.

 

[IMFASTTOO]

Brake hard before leaning. Let the front brake go and then lean keeping the rear ON. This also helps me keep my right foot tucked to the bike. I tend to lead with my foot out. 1rst or 2nd gear with some throttle ON.

Have made the mistake of pulling the clutch while leaning. The bike wants to straighten up. . It likes to be powered to turn right. (That's when it was going to 2000 rpm on its own.) Once I see a clear coast ahead I can throttle up and release the rear brake. This works for my novice rider skill level.

EASY BOYS racing tactics for riding too fast on public roads slow down and relax and save the road racing for the track

 

[Jagster]

More on the subject.......

The relevance of rake & trail is highlighted, which is one aspect that makes the Rocket interesting, as many of us are impressed about both the stability of the bike and also the cornering ability.
I think this is a big achievement for the engineers at Triumph.

 

[Gimlet]

Brake hard before leaning. Let the front brake go and then lean keeping the rear ON.

This is exactly what I do. More so on my KTM 1190 than the Rocket, though I do rear trail on that as well.
The KTM is rather a different animal. The chassis excels at braking deep into a bend and turning very late. It has masses of ground clearance and can take silly lean angles so this allows for very rappid cornering and tight lines, which feels very rewarding. But as it has long travel and non-semi-active suspension this produces dive and a lot of weight transfer. Maintaining a light touch of rear brake through the turn after letting go the front flattens out the chassis and stops the rear skipping.
I find the Rocket corners best under light power rather than a closed throttle. Probably because of torque reaction both from the drive shaft and the longitudinal crank. Trimming the power with a touch of rear brake improves things still further.

 

[Kiwicol]

I know this is an old thread, but since it's been revived I'll continue. After reading all the posts here, there is 1 aspect that isn't being mentioned & it's the fact of the front & rear being linked. My understanding is even though only the front is applied a small portion is also applied to the rear brake as well.
Any thoughts or comments on this aspect? or is it such a negligible amount as to have no real effect? If that were the case, why would they even bother installing such a system? So it must actually do something & be a worthwhile addition, so is rear trailing still necessary or just front trailing as the back is also engaged slightly?

I must admit, I rarely use the back brake, 95% braking (for me) is done using solely the front, & that includes shedding speed whilst leaned over in a corner if need be. I try not to need that, but do it if I feel I have to - very gently.

 

[Jagster]

I know this is an old thread, but since it's been revived I'll continue. After reading all the posts here, there is 1 aspect that isn't being mentioned & it's the fact of the front & rear being linked. My understanding is even though only the front is applied a small portion is also applied to the rear brake as well.
Any thoughts or comments on this aspect? or is it such a negligible amount as to have no real effect? If that were the case, why would they even bother installing such a system? So it must actually do something & be a worthwhile addition, so is rear trailing still necessary or just front trailing as the back is also engaged slightly?

I must admit, I rarely use the back brake, 95% braking (for me) is done using solely the front, & that includes shedding speed whilst leaned over in a corner if need be. I try not to need that, but do it if I feel I have to - very gently.

I've read of one or two riders on here stating similar braking style/habit.

I have to confess that i'm not in that camp. I'm using my front and rear all the time to varying degrees.
I would describe my actions as intuitive. Second nature, if you like.
I don't think i'd be good at teaching my style, as I couldn't describe what I do in detail. I just ride with feel.
I guess it's because all my early years of riding was off-road. Tarmac riding and high speeds came years later and by then, i'd programmed myself for 'slippy slidy' and lots of weight shifting with minute adjustments in all manner of ways that just aren't as amplified on surfaces with good grip.

I am aware that I trail brake nowadays, but up until relatively recently, I was unaware that I was doing it, as it was completely second nature.

That's the bit I like most about riding.....Just zone-ing into the ride and getting into my natural flow state, on hilly twisty roads, where everything's changing constantly.
The great thing about the Rocket is how the power/torque is delivered and the deceleration is delivered to the rear wheel on the over run, so the action on the brakes are not so angry as when compared to a high reving sports bike, for example.

I did go through a period when I thought I would try to get some advanced training (not race track, just road based), but I just couldn't get on with most of the sort-of textbook stuff, as I felt like I was losing my natural flow, so in the end I jacked it in and got back to my old ways and felt far more safe.
That said, the training wasn't a waste of time, as I did learn some useful bits a pieces.

 

[stingray]

The brakes are not linked on the Rocket 3. I'm not sure where that rumor started. They both go through the ABS module but work independently.

 

[Kiwicol]

Page 102 in the owners manual bro . . .

 

[stingray]

That's BS. It probably meant the rider should apply a small amount of rear brake when using the front brake. Show me this system in the service manual? It doesn't exist. Never mentioned in any of the advertising either. There are several errors in that OM.

 

[Kiwicol]

My understanding of it is it's controlled by the ECU & the ABS modulator in a very similar way the hill hold is. The fact the hill hold can be applied (to the rear wheel) by using the front brake sorta backs up Triumphs claim about being linked. Yes, you can also activate Hill hold using the rear as well, but it's also functional using the front brake.