Afraid of the New Bike Electronics?

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  1. Dr.D

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    It seems that a lot of threads are going that are dealing with electrical problems. This interesting thing is they are all on the older bikes.:rolleyes::laugh::laugh::laugh:

    There has been some discussion of the fears concerning the new R3 electronics. Looks like the older bikes are ones suffering from these issues.;) The service writer at my dealer said that the recent models from Triumph have had solid electrical performance and a lot of the stuff one the new Rockets has already been proven reliable.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Been out a week and already proven reliable. :whitstling:
    All the older bikes I see having issues are between 6 and 16 years old. Report back in a few years and let us know. ;)
     
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    scot in exile Living Legend

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    Triumphs with reliable electronics, now that is funny plus I have a bridge in New York for sale:D.
    The 2004-18 Rockets had very basic electronics the new Rockets have a lot more sophisticated electronics, time will tell:cool:
     
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    I was curious if my '14 was still under warranty and sure enough... I've got about 14 months left. Way back I purchased the 5 year extended warranty and considering the hourly cost of labor+parts, at a bargain if I had a major issue. It's always nice when it's a waste of money though (i.e. nothing goes that wrong...).
    -MIG
     
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    warp9.9 Pocałuj mnie w dupę

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    You'll probably be alright even if there is some glitches in the stuff some might just be software patches. Don't worry doc at 2 grand a plate you'll be able to by one for standby :)

    Oh and no I didn't price any in there for extractions figuring after all your down south what's one tooth every now and then :D

    Enjoy and be safe :)
     
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    barbagris Mad Scientist

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    Well let's start.

    Electronics are NOT electrics. Electrical failures are often material failure, mechanical Failure (contacts) or ***wit owner caused via tinkering. Usually this can all be repaired. Time is not a limiting factor for repair. Discrete component use allows for discrete repair/alteration.

    Electronics are usually fine if well sealed (or potted). But if they are not (sometimes you simply cannot) and undesired stuff gets in (water is a huge no no) then often this results in catastrophic failure. Usually only repairable via replacement. It can also limit individualism (tinkering).

    And once those parts are not available - the vehicle is useless. It promotes built-in obsolescence. Also if they are not actually fit for purpose - expect issues. I can name one or two of these issues from experience of my weekly attendance at a bike workshop. Various marques.

    On the new R3 (from what I have seen on other marques) - my GENUINE concern is how much "intelligence" is in the TFT display. Will not surprise me if (as an example) the logic and circuits for the direction indicators are inside. Wanna change indicators? - get ready!!.

    ECU's are something else again. This IS a computer. And as an IT guy we all know how brilliant Operating Systems are. The software can and will fail somewhere the minute you think outside the original programmers box.
     
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    keep a bottle of this on the shelf..
     
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    Hello Mel, You know some of my thoughts already about the electronics package from my report. Rider aids are a double edged sword I think. On one hand, the ability to prevent rear wheel spin0outs when the rider did not expect seems to be a good thing. But why did the tire spin-out? Is it because the road conditions were slicker for some reason; i.e. sand on the road, wet road, icy spot? If of us should be able to recognize these situations and adjust our rider style for the situation. The rider aids may remove that element of the experience for some. That's just one idea and something I look at for human factors at work.

    As far as reliability goes, MIG above has the best answer, get the warranty as it not going to be "IF" but "WHEN" the malfunction occurs. If I only look at the electrical issues I have gad on 71K miles of R3T life, I must be cautious on any bike with even more electrical items to go wrong. @barbagris nailed it with water intrusion; my biggest beef with a motorcycle company from the UK. Almost all of the issues I have had are from water intrusion. The first big issue was when the buttons on the left grip stopped working. Triumph replaced the assembly due to corrosion inside. That was within the first year. The problem returned but I was on to it now and was able to disassemble the left grip and clean it up. I then applied dielectric grease to protect the exposed parts that get wet often.

    I have had three fog lights go bad within the first six months. Two housings were replaced by Triumph because of it. The lights do not last as long as I would expect but at least they are easy to swap.

    After replacing the second tail light, the light would not illuminate. I took the bike in and they replaced the entire assembly again due to corrosion from water intrusion. Later, the rear tire ate the brake wire and that had to be replace, this time not due to water but a poor design.

    Electricity is obviously important to run the bike. On mine, I am on my fifth battery. I doubled the negative wire due to a design deficiency. If the wires work themselves lose, then when starting throughs a code in the computer. Sure tightening the cable again fixes the tron flow, but the bike has to go through a three start cycle to clear the code. That code is also associated with the GPS and I can no longer see the neutral light. That same GPS was replaced three time within the first two years too due to failing.

    The Speed sensor under the engine also failed on me. DEcosse figured it out by my description of no Speedometer or blinker. That was a totally odd thing for me to understand how am engine speed sensor failure would disable the speedometer and blinkers!

    My Kickstand safety switch has failed too, this one is a combination of use and water.

    At least the fueling portion of the electronics has never failed me. My fueling issues were due to mechanical failures of the Teflon washers in the injector linkage.

    And the ABS has never let me down and I have used it several times now.

    So, looking at all the additional item Triumph has added to the 2020 models, I am Leary to accept them at face value. I do not care to have the traction control as I do not understand why it is needed. If it is raining, I slow my roll automatically and do not gas it in the curves.

    I do want the cruise control and heated grips but have lived without them on my bikes for over 38 years now. I have bought a set of heated grips for my bike now but have not put them on yet.

    The digital speedometer of tach look nice and are easy to read but I worry they are another electronic piece that will fail at a higher rate than the needle I have now. Which by the way is easy to read when I look at it too. Straight up is 85mph, easy.

    With all that said, (comma, indicating pause and thought is sentence structure) I thoroughly enjoyed riding the 2020 bikes especially the GT. And yes I can see myself owning one despite my objections to the electronics. I learned from the first purchase that having the extended warranty is the way to go to handle these issues. Will I use the nanny controls, sure they are on the bike and you must use them even if it is set to the rider mode, it is still electronically required to use. The extra cost of the technology is a whole other point of contention. I wished they had the basic bike for riders like me, and the techno bike for those who want that...
     
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    In my opinion Doc, Triumph has made a pretty reliable vehicle.

    Machines fail. Some people can’t seem to get that fact. I’ve worked on commercial aircraft most of my life, and I fix electrical and other system fault/failures every day. A perfect machine doesn’t exist. There are some who will never have 1 problem, while others will.

    Did the first gen Rocket have some issues? Of course. Will the second? Probably, but we will fix it, improve it and learn (hopefully)!

    I wouldn’t be concerned.......
     
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    Triple Trouble The Duk of death

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    The exact same TFT dash has been on other Triumph models for a year or two so it’s not brand new stuff.
     
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