2006 Skipping out of Second Gear

Yep my local dealer said about 2 grand when I was talking to them about the '05 I was looking at with just over 6000 miles on it. Service manager told me not to buy it unless the seller would knock $2000 off the price and I'd be ok with out riding from whenever it might let go til the following season as they wouldn't tear into it during riding season as it takes up too much time and space that they don't have in season due to prepping new bikes and routine maintenance work.

That was enough to convince me to focus on getting a touring.
 
Trade her in an get that R3T you are looking at...
:) they want my bike and 11k. Ibought that nos s3 se so I think I better finish remodeling the bathrooms b4 I try squeezing a 3rd bike in the garage. I don't know if you remember paul we met at mcc awhile ago, he called and asked me to call him 1st if I sell so who knows. I'll take out woodstocks r3t and call you and we can compare notes.
 
:) they want my bike and 11k. Ibought that nos s3 se so I think I better finish remodeling the bathrooms b4 I try squeezing a 3rd bike in the garage. I don't know if you remember paul we met at mcc awhile ago, he called and asked me to call him 1st if I sell so who knows. I'll take out woodstocks r3t and call you and we can compare notes.
Sounds good, when you going to Woodstock? I'll ride with...
 
I think traffic will suck trying to do it after work they're open sat and sun. I like saturday better ?
 
Everyone

Thought I would get you all an update. My Rocket 3 is spread all over my local guys shop. I want to thank everyone for the advice to him my local independent shop with this repair. As it turns out their head guy worked for Triumph in California for 26 years. I walked in the other day he had not yet started dis-assembling my bike. It was warm he had been riding it. I asked why "no offense but allot of people come in here deciding they need something they do not need, I drive and experience all the failures first hand". I noticed a compression gauge there, again I asked why. "well counting on my fingers if this goes perfectly well your still spending $2000 minimum, I won't tear that far into a bike without doing a compression and leak down test" "cant spend $2000 on a wounded bike" "all three of your cylinders are better than spec"
Guys just found my new Mechanic!!

Here is the deal and truly shame on triumph. First off there are now no less than 4 superseded part numbers for the second gear in my 06. So they have had at least 3 "better" ideas. The gears E/R have less engagement dawgs by half of the unit that came in my bike factory.. My 4th gear shows some wear also, so in all I am spending $1500 on new Gear sets (parts). The new gears will work with the old ones but may or may not come back to haunt you.. STOP.. Change em.. Two of my 3 shift forks were bent, slightly but bent, that is why Heal shifters suck.. (my view) someone does not get this quite in gear so they slam it/ Make it go. Mine shifted goofy when I bought it with 4300 miles.. Now I thought it was me and my size 12 feet getting tied up in the heal shifting thing made for a 3 year olds foot.. Anyway those being slightly bent moves everything .000ths of an inch from where it belongs and bad things happen from there..
Another thing to note the Main or "upper" gear set has a brake on the main input gear. This is designed to "slow down" the shaft and get a bit of a synchronizing effect between the stationary (upper) and the shifted (lower) gear sets.. That brake affair is WAY WAY to tight in my bike as in 6 of the 7 this guy has been into. He showed me a correctly adjusted similar brake on three bikes. One triumph one Kaw and one Suzuki.. These brake affairs on those bikes, give a very very slight drag when spinning the shaft that free wheels through them. NOT the Rocket 3, it is hard to hold the gear and spin the shaft. He has an old shaft from a Rocket 3 with a turbo on it that a local guy races, it twice blew the snap ring off that brake affair and eventually turned the shaft blue from Heat In that spot.. This guy takes that apart machines more tolerance into the thing so it spins not free, but much closer to free..
My Mechanic equates it to the dropping into any gear, especially second.. 8 times out of 10 bang you are in, those other two you get the almost un-noticeable tick tick and your in.. That is from this drag being too tight! and each of those barely noticeable ticks is your hardened sharp Gear Dawg Edge getting dull until. Once dull enough they pop out of gear, or slam around like mine does.

So I am about a $3500 guy with all new gear sets and a new clutch, Clutch was not terrible but we were looking at it and, guess what Im not doing this twice.. Very frustrating, I have the Light Relay kit at home first thing were doing once we get her home. Timing chain and guides are tight and look perfect in every way so, you have to stop someplace. We are adjusting the valves. Should be ready to tear it up again 7-8 days from now.

Mike
 
Everyone

Thought I would get you all an update. My Rocket 3 is spread all over my local guys shop. I want to thank everyone for the advice to him my local independent shop with this repair. As it turns out their head guy worked for Triumph in California for 26 years. I walked in the other day he had not yet started dis-assembling my bike. It was warm he had been riding it. I asked why "no offense but allot of people come in here deciding they need something they do not need, I drive and experience all the failures first hand". I noticed a compression gauge there, again I asked why. "well counting on my fingers if this goes perfectly well your still spending $2000 minimum, I won't tear that far into a bike without doing a compression and leak down test" "cant spend $2000 on a wounded bike" "all three of your cylinders are better than spec"
Guys just found my new Mechanic!!

Here is the deal and truly shame on triumph. First off there are now no less than 4 superseded part numbers for the second gear in my 06. So they have had at least 3 "better" ideas. The gears E/R have less engagement dawgs by half of the unit that came in my bike factory.. My 4th gear shows some wear also, so in all I am spending $1500 on new Gear sets (parts). The new gears will work with the old ones but may or may not come back to haunt you.. STOP.. Change em.. Two of my 3 shift forks were bent, slightly but bent, that is why Heal shifters suck.. (my view) someone does not get this quite in gear so they slam it/ Make it go. Mine shifted goofy when I bought it with 4300 miles.. Now I thought it was me and my size 12 feet getting tied up in the heal shifting thing made for a 3 year olds foot.. Anyway those being slightly bent moves everything .000ths of an inch from where it belongs and bad things happen from there..
Another thing to note the Main or "upper" gear set has a brake on the main input gear. This is designed to "slow down" the shaft and get a bit of a synchronizing effect between the stationary (upper) and the shifted (lower) gear sets.. That brake affair is WAY WAY to tight in my bike as in 6 of the 7 this guy has been into. He showed me a correctly adjusted similar brake on three bikes. One triumph one Kaw and one Suzuki.. These brake affairs on those bikes, give a very very slight drag when spinning the shaft that free wheels through them. NOT the Rocket 3, it is hard to hold the gear and spin the shaft. He has an old shaft from a Rocket 3 with a turbo on it that a local guy races, it twice blew the snap ring off that brake affair and eventually turned the shaft blue from Heat In that spot.. This guy takes that apart machines more tolerance into the thing so it spins not free, but much closer to free..
My Mechanic equates it to the dropping into any gear, especially second.. 8 times out of 10 bang you are in, those other two you get the almost un-noticeable tick tick and your in.. That is from this drag being too tight! and each of those barely noticeable ticks is your hardened sharp Gear Dawg Edge getting dull until. Once dull enough they pop out of gear, or slam around like mine does.

So I am about a $3500 guy with all new gear sets and a new clutch, Clutch was not terrible but we were looking at it and, guess what Im not doing this twice.. Very frustrating, I have the Light Relay kit at home first thing were doing once we get her home. Timing chain and guides are tight and look perfect in every way so, you have to stop someplace. We are adjusting the valves. Should be ready to tear it up again 7-8 days from now.

Mike

Does he make house calls... to Georgia :)
 
Might as well, My local dlr offered me 5k in trade for my 06 standard with 20,000 miles on it so i'm keepin it. That shaft thing your talkin about makes me wonder if weight or spring compression makes a difference because last time out with my wife up shifting into 2nd I could hear the gears banging off each other several times before engaging, now last time out by myself 2nd gear was fine. (I still couldn't drag race with this tranny). Oh yea, thanks for the detailed post.
 
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