Shaft Effect and Technique

[scot in exile]

Your brakes are your best friend for steering and stopping if used correctly, it takes practice and lots of it.

 

[Paul Bryant]

One of the key things I took away from Twist of the Wrist, once opened, keep it open!!

I do have to admit, when riding with others I leave a lot on the table in the braking zone, and Im fine that for street riding. I just get the slowing done a little early, get body set for the turn, and power through.

For some reason I always ride harder solo than with anyone else, mental thing.

Re "keep it open"
As in the Martial Arts when you have been thrown, you will go where you are looking.
When entering/leaving a corner, I'm not looking at where I'm at (have already done that on entering) I'm looking at where I'm going.

And re "ride harder by yourself" I am the same, I think it's just that I am more focused on me and my line etc, not partly watching out for the other Guy and what he is doing.

 

[Paul Bryant]

Your brakes are your best friend for steering and stopping if used correctly, it takes practice and lots of it.

Yea', locking the rear wheel and sliding into the corner can really set you up for a good power slide exit

 

[scot in exile]

Re "keep it open"
As in the Martial Arts when you have been thrown, you will go where you are looking.
When entering/leaving a corner, I'm not looking at where I'm at (have already done that on entering) I'm looking at where I'm going.

And you "ride harder by yourself" I am the same, I think it's just that I am more focused on me and my line etc, not partly watching out for the other Guy and what he is doing.

I would call it peer pressure well actually reverse peer pressure we always tell riders to ride their own ride and why do we tell them this well because the numbskulls will try and match your speed and point of entry which usually ends up very sad, now when I am riding with someone I do not know(skills wise) I keep it slow so I can get a look at them and the first corner will tell you everything, so really we are looking out for our fellow riders.

 

[concours]

"Turn the throttle like your turning a screwdriver"
KC

 

[Claviger]

I would venture a guess that many of us share similar skill sets and ability levels, not because we own rockets but as a reason we enjoy the rocket.

I’m the Senior Mentor for about 200 riders at work, and this thread inspired me to revisit Twist of the Wrist II. There’s an abridged version on YouTube that’s about an hour long.

I think I’m going to force all the riders to sit and watch it . I know people in 2018 who still argue about countersteering being BS, so it seems a good idea to force educate them lol.

 

[Claviger]

A testament to just how good Keith Codes writings and videos are.

In 2010, while deployed in Iraq, I decided to start finally riding. Having never even been a passenger I decided to educate myself before trying it out, I didn’t even know if I’d like it yet. I read the book, watched the movie multiple times and went and bought my Daytona 955i as my first bike.

When I got back I went and did the MSF basic course, and the next day took delivery of my Daytona. So with only 1 day of ridin a 250cc single cylinder cruiser I hoped on my 955i triple and set out.

It was terrifying, all these giant cages around me, a bike that was chomping to be unleashed, and has ridiculously sharp steering geometry. I went out and put into practice when I’d mentally drilled myself on while in Iraq regarding SRs and throttle control etc.

Fast forward about 1 month and I was dragging in corners, had the bike mono mid turn on power exits etc. Generally being a hooligan and truly enjoying owning a liter bike. I was easily pacing friends with no formal training on twisties and around town.

I firmly believe the only reason I didn’t kill myself, is that I internalized his lessons months before even getting on a bike and would mentally drill in my head what I’d be doing with the controls while watching Isle of Mann etc as a sort of deployed simulator.

Anyway, revisiting his video, I’d forgotten he Does indeed talk about theottling out of turns to get the best line! Makes me a little happy I trained myself to do it right even if I’d forgotten why!

 

[scot in exile]

I have been an MSF instructor for many a year and we recently had to go through the Advanced rider Course update and boy was I pleasantly surprised they are now putting more emphasize on trail braking and only for the best , trail braking is something everyone should get at least good at, for the more experienced riders it lets us hit the curves that wee bit harder which most of us like.

 

[Claviger]

Yup. Was looking at getting my rider coach cert this year but there’s only one WA class for 18 and timing doesn’t work for me. Going to prioritize it in 19 and make sure I get it done since the Army will pay for it.

Bull and I had a chat about rear brake use, we’ve many similar habits. The rear is the hidden gem for cornering it used properly imho.

 

[Steel]

Yup. Was looking at getting my rider coach cert this year but there’s only one WA class for 18 and timing doesn’t work for me. Going to prioritize it in 19 and make sure I get it done since the Army will pay for it.

Bull and I had a chat about rear brake use, we’ve many similar habits. The rear is the hidden gem for cornering it used properly imho.

Actually the front brake is an even more hidden gem that most riders don't use in turns.