PSA: Held Air n Dry have a design flaw.

[Claviger]

Mine arrive Monday, can't wait. Webikeworld did the dunk test and zero water made it through the Gortex™ side of the gloves. He did gripe a bit about the lack of insulation, though, I wonder if he's aware that the Gortex™ itself is quite effective at retaining body heat.
Think it may also have to do with tolerance to cold. I rock my highly ventilated Icon's down into the 40s. Yeah the hands get cold, but, I can feel my controls and I prioritize that over being perfectly toasty warm, not everyone does.

 

[barbagris]

I wonder if he's aware that the Gortex™ itself is quite effective at retaining body heat..

That sort of depends.

It is well known in the trekking/mountaineering community that Goretex works well in some environments and less well in others. ime goretex needs a (albeit quite thin) mesh-like layer between it and skin to provide an air-gap. The minute one side of it is wet it starts to suck heat away from anything touching the other side. And if it also coldish then perspiration will not pass though the holes and you will basically have a damp inner layer sucking even more heat out.

I have a top grade Berghaus 3-layer laminate jacket - meant to be an outer layer. Even after 10 hours sat in a serious storm in The Andes the fabric was bone dry (shake and pack away) - but it provides NO warmth at all. Goretex is designed to use body heat to evacuate moisture. What it does do VERY well is keep wind and some moisture at bay whilst still breathing allowing heavy exercise without sweating.

Before my spate of visiting wild and dangerous parts of the world - I was put through the mill by a mate in the Royal Marines and a mate of his from the SBS. They taught me a hell of a lot about what gear works and when. Now not all of what they taught me applies 100% to bikes. But one factor is true - Cold will kill you way faster than heat will (within climate level temperatures). I would rather sweat than be chilled.

 

[sonny]

TWO cold weather training course's done while In the U.S.M.C. Very demanding and very tough to get though. Maintaining body heat when the odds are against you is the trick. Your body as it cools draws heat to maintain your core heat. This means your hands and feet will freeze first. On a bike in extreme cold weather this is very noticeable and that is why i prefer the electrical equation vice the high dollar gloves. Kind of hard to ride a bike while tucking your hands around your ****** area to keep them from freezing (Marine training) So we plug and ride.

 

[barbagris]

On a bike in extreme cold weather this is very noticeable

Wind chill at 80mph is not unimpressive. Reminds me I must make some new leg shields - well more toe shields.

 

[Bedifferent]

Mine arrive Monday, can't wait. Webikeworld did the dunk test and zero water made it through the Gortex™ side of the gloves. He did gripe a bit about the lack of insulation, though, I wonder if he's aware that the Gortex™ itself is quite effective at retaining body heat.
Think it may also have to do with tolerance to cold. I rock my highly ventilated Icon's down into the 40s. Yeah the hands get cold, but, I can feel my controls and I prioritize that over being perfectly toasty warm, not everyone does.

Looks like a great product so give us a review when you get them. The biggest problem I have with some waterproof gloves is if your hands get get a little wet before you try to put them on, you can't get them on. Something about the type of inner fabric makes it an impossible task. Wash your hands but don't dry them really good and see if you can still pull them on easily.. That's the report I want.

 

[Claviger]

TWO cold weather training course's done while In the U.S.M.C. Very demanding and very tough to get though. Maintaining body heat when the odds are against you is the trick. Your body as it cools draws heat to maintain your core heat. This means your hands and feet will freeze first. On a bike in extreme cold weather this is very noticeable and that is why i prefer the electrical equation vice the high dollar gloves. Kind of hard to ride a bike while tucking your hands around your ****** area to keep them from freezing (Marine training) So we plug and ride.

You actually are the first person to hit the nail on the head. My jewels freeze in cold weather, far worse than any other extremity. I need to look into some heated undies lol Nothing like getting off the bike and having to walk bow legged because the boys are little ice cubes your trying to keep off your legs buwahahha.

 

[Joesmoe]

Maybe that's why they invented heated seats, and I'm a big fan.

For anyone contemplating this addition, here is a recent option from Sargent, which can be installed by pretty much shop that works auto upholstery.

 

[Claviger]

A good reason to get me to put on the leather instead of stock seat outer layer I have laying around. Might as well add heat at the same time.

 

[barbagris]

You actually are the first person to hit the nail on the head. My jewels freeze in cold weather, far worse than any other extremity. I need to look into some heated undies lol Nothing like getting off the bike and having to walk bow legged because the boys are little ice cubes your trying to keep off your legs buwahahha.

You need a

 

[Claviger]

They arrived today! Size 9, perfect fit for someone who wears a L in us brands.

I actually think they're going to be fine for me into the 30s using the Gortex side of the glove, more importantly, the vented side fits me absolutely primo, tight on the palm side of the hand and bottom of the fingers so I expect they'll have phenomenal feel to them. Ride testing starts later this week, tomorrows going to be a heavy rain day.